Green slip pay question?
 

How does a 3 day GS that starts on April 1 pay? On April or May time card or both?

I think you meant 1 May. If that is the case it’s both. Block flown on the 1st pays in April and the rest pays in May.

but the extra credit for the GS all falls on last day right? Im asking i never pickup.

Yes....credit always goes on last day of the rotation, so in this case it would be in the May paycheck

Just to be clear, you’ll get green slip pay on your time card for both months, April and May, assuming you meet the green slip trigger for both months. You’ll get green slip pay on April for the flying you do on 1 May, then you’ll get the remainder of the green slip pay on your May time card. So you’ll get paid double for one day of work in April and double for two days of work in May.

The previous poster is correct that any credit in the trip will be paid out on the last day, but that’s different than the green slip pay. You’ll get paid double for that credit in May.

If I was the only one confused by the replies then please mock this post.


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No, you aren't the only one confused. I'm still confused(and not afraid to show my ignorance of the contract) on what "credit" is? And what does it mean when they say something like single pay no credit? Under a different contract I knew fairly well credit always meant what you were paid. Here it seems to mean added credit to the trip above block? But something like "single pay no credit" means something totally different?

Green slip pay question?
 

I get frustrated with the various ways that “credit” is used. In the “pay no credit” sense, it means greenslip credit. In order to get GS pay, you have to have credit equal to or greater than the GS trigger. So when they say you get no credit for a given activity, it means that activity didn’t help you get over the GS trigger. I believe the trigger lowered with one of the recent LOAs, which is a real win.

In the “credit gets paid on the last day” sense, it means non-block pay time in a trip. Two totally different meanings here. Using the same word for both cannot but be confusing.

Does that make it any clearer?


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And don't get me started on, "Break in Duty." :confused:

It is very confusing. You get “credit” for any trip flown on your line that is NOT a greenslip. White slips and awarded trips via PBS are credit. To get full GS pay for a GS your credit has to meet the GS trigger. When talking about what applies to the GS trigger, all the trips described above count towards the trigger AS WELL AS Vacation Pay. Vacation Pay is not listed as “Credit” on one’s time card but it does count towards the GS trigger. How much credit you have in a month determines your Max pickup (or how much you can white slip). The amount of credit you have for the determines whether you can deposit hours to the Full Service Bank or pay back negative bank.

When something is classified as “pay, no credit” it just means you will be paid for that amount. You cannot put it in the Full Service Bank or pay back a negative bank with it.

When talking about a specific trip, there are many kinds of “credit.” Deadhead, Trip, ADG etc. Trip credit is always applied on the last day of the trip. Deadhead is paid on the day flown. I should know but am not sure about ADG.

Denny

Very helpful explanation! If you ever get bored during your early retirement, maybe you can come back and mentor new hires :D

Very nice explanation, sir. ADG is like trip credit (1:3.5) and is paid at the end of the rotation if that is the the controlling credit driving pay for the rotation. Duty rig (1:2), like block time and DH time, is paid on the day accrued.

Thanks! I thought that was the case for ADG but just wasn’t 100 percent sure. I forgot about the Duty Rig. That has come into play for me a couple times in last few months.

Denny

Thanks! I thought seriously about signing up to be one when the program started but they were looking for younger FO’s that had been here a few years ......... not some old, jaded WB captain! :) So I never pursued it.

Denny

Remember the ol' shortened layover 1:2?? THAT was a good deal. Cha-ching!

Layover: 8:15 or less!

Bingo! Damn FAR 117! 🤣🤣

Denny, that was a great explanation! Almost four years at Delta and for the first time I think I actually understand what credit means. They really need to have two different terms to differentiate the two types of credit we have. I hope you'll still come by occasionally and visit us on the forums after you retire! :)

Thanks for a great breakdown. Well written on a continuously confusing topic. How does one even ask questions if the word “credit” has five meanings?


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Exactly Sparky. I wish there were different terms but it is what it is...

Denny

‘Thanks! Over the last few months I’ve backed off from offering my “opinion :)” because I am a short timer. Like others before me I will continue to read and lurk......for the most part! :)

Denny

Why yes, yes I do remember! I’ve actually gone on 1:2 a couple times in the last year or so. Ahhh, don’t forget that it went to 1 for 1 3/4 during the night (forgot the time and too lazy to look it up) and stayed there till you went off duty!

Denny

How about Suit Up pay on reserve? The contract says you get pay and credit and yet DALPA and the company both say that it all only goes towards guarantee.

Sounds right. ​​​​​​If you fly a trip on reserve you get pay and credit too...but it is deducted from your reserve guarantee.

i was talking regular line holder. If you look at your time card when on reserve you will see a line that says: Credit + Res Guarantee + Other Guarantee = Subtotal Credit. Suit up pay is given when you are assigned a trip but don’t actually fly it so it’s treated just like a trip on reserve and is subtracted from your reserve guarantee and put under the Credit column......same place the trip credit would have been if you had flown it. If the contract said you just got pay for it...then you would get it above guarantee. But, alas, it doesn’t say that.

In other words, you actually are getting pay and credit for any trip you fly on reserve. It’s just that your reserve guarantee is reduced a like amount. If you have a 75 hr reserve guarantee and fly trips worth 50 hrs, you will get paid for those trips the same as a regular line holder (including things like international override and per diem) and get 25 hrs of pay for reserve guarantee.

Denny

Here is another green slip question. Is there really any reason to use the bank to get you to the trigger? For example in April i had 70 hours. Gs trigger is 71. I got a two day gs. In the top part of the time sheet it shows 10:30 pay for the trip. In the gs section it shows 9:30. If I take one hour from the bank to hit the trigger it brings the gs pay up to 1030 but now I owe 1 hour to the bank. Am I missing something? Just seems oweing the bank as I am getting longevity increases and when I upgrade will cost me more than just that 1 hour I borrowed.

That’s up to you to determine if 2 hours now is worth 1 hour from the future...

You get paid for that bank hour twice. Your total pay goes up by two hours but you owe the bank just one hour. You get paid “pay and credit” for that bank hour, then your greenslip pay goes up one hour. In effect it is a free hour of pay: paid for two hours, owe one hour. That’s the reason to use your bank to get to the trigger.


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Much more likely, they didn’t want somebody that actually knew something and history behind it mentoring new hires. Very dangerous ideas.

IA pay on reserve?
 

So if you are on reserve and get an IA that over laps an on call day how does it pay?

For example it’s a 2 day trip. Day 1 is an X day and day 2 is the first day of long call. Does the whole trip pay above guarantee? Do you get PB days as well?

Understood. I guess my point was that "pay and no credit" for a greenslip pays a reserve better than an item that has "pay and credit". It just seems like a weird way to use the terminology in the contract.

That whole, "credit gets paid on the last day," can bite you if you fly a reserve 2-day green slip, where day 1 is on an X day and day 2 is a normal Long Call day.

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