LOE release and IROPS
#11
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
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Being released for OE is a great benny in our contract. Management wanted to get rid of it and have those released available for recovery flying. ALPA caved on this and other big items (profit sharing) in TA 1 that got voted down.
Could it be management wants to water this benny down to frustrate us in an effort to get rid of it this time around?
Could it be management wants to water this benny down to frustrate us in an effort to get rid of it this time around?
#12
Being released for OE is a great benny in our contract. Management wanted to get rid of it and have those released available for recovery flying. ALPA caved on this and other big items (profit sharing) in TA 1 that got voted down.
Could it be management wants to water this benny down to frustrate us in an effort to get rid of it this time around?
Could it be management wants to water this benny down to frustrate us in an effort to get rid of it this time around?
#13
I would bet a beer the CS stance is due to the supervisor "E". Although she is married to a pilot, this woman absolutely disdains us. I've went to the CPO about her and she's a known entity beyond the power of the CPO to really do much about. She is unprofessional, angry, and will do anything she can to make lives of pilots as difficult as possible. Hopefully enough pilots will complain about her and much like the grumpy ATL controller who no longer works in ATC, "E" will someday be a distant memory in the lives of the Delta pilot group.
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#14
Being released for OE is a great benny in our contract. Management wanted to get rid of it and have those released available for recovery flying. ALPA caved on this and other big items (profit sharing) in TA 1 that got voted down.
Could it be management wants to water this benny down to frustrate us in an effort to get rid of it this time around?
Could it be management wants to water this benny down to frustrate us in an effort to get rid of it this time around?
#15
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,418
I’ve noticed quite a few very senior FO’s have bid Captain since being released is no longer a sure thing. Not to mention most LCA not being able to bid and hold international trips from PBS. (Since very few international trips exist.) Destroys the entire “bid with a LCA, get bought off the trip, get a GS” strategy. But on a bright note: those new Captains are now getting green slips as Captains.
#17
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,226
Being released for OE is a great benny in our contract. Management wanted to get rid of it and have those released available for recovery flying. ALPA caved on this and other big items (profit sharing) in TA 1 that got voted down.
Could it be management wants to water this benny down to frustrate us in an effort to get rid of it this time around?
Could it be management wants to water this benny down to frustrate us in an effort to get rid of it this time around?
#18
TA 1 contained a provision that allowed the company to withhold 75% of the anticipate OE flying from the PBS award process and assign it to check airman. There was no requirement to sit recovery. TA 2 modified this to a far less onerous ability for the company to pull rotations from open time but only after PBS awards.
Some of my happiest forum days are when I get to post that Sailing is right. There was no recovery obligation for OE trip removal in TA1.
#19
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: DAL FO
Posts: 2,137
Last time I was dropped for an OE happened on the jetway walking down to the plane. Had I been released earlier I absolutely would’ve picked something up on a night when they were out of pilots.
Always 2 sides to a story but I have to believe if some grownups could get into a room together, a common sense fix to this could be found. It’s silly to make the FO report unless absolutely necessary. You just pumpkin’d him/her for a minimum of 10 hours.
#20
TA 1 contained a provision that allowed the company to withhold 75% of the anticipate OE flying from the PBS award process and assign it to check airman. There was no requirement to sit recovery. TA 2 modified this to a far less onerous ability for the company to pull rotations from open time but only after PBS awards.
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