Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

From what you have cited is it fair to assume the company actually knows what they are doing, is doing things appropriately, and no grievances need to be filed? That is my take-away, or am I misunderstanding this?

Originally Posted by iaflyer

I think with the three options, the company has a lot of leeway of when to assign training. It's just how the pilots is being paid that changes. There are reports of people being called between the 4th and the 11th and just saying, "hey, you have training... bid accordingly" when they are supposed to get their consent.

As I understand it, the training planners are understaffed, some are new and just swamped. Who would of thought...

To me, it just highlights how loose our contract is, especially in training - when times are tough, that's when you discover the flaws in the contract.

Originally Posted by TED74

They can always schedule you for training with 15 or 25 days notice (AE/VD or MD). What they are doing wrong is putting that training into PBS for the system to build pilots a schedule AROUND that training without the pilot explicitly allowing them to do so. If you don't say "sure" between 1800 on the 4th and 1800 on the 11th, they can't do it. When it is done incorrectly like that, the pilot will potentially have his or her pay reduced and/or overall workload increased.

The intent of the rule is that when the bidding window opens on the 4th at 1800, you can submit your bid at 1805 and never make adjustments while awaiting bid awards later in the month. As soon as they post training without your approval, your bid likely becomes sub-optimal for any number of reasons. Had you bid accordingly, and not under the assumption there was no training (because it wasn't there when you logged in at 1800 on the 4th), you likely could get more money or more time off than what you will be awarded with training dropped in on top of that bid. If you decline them adding training to PBS, that doesn't mean you won't have training - it just means your pay for the month will be based on your PBS bid without training factored in, and you have a shot at making more money and/or having more time off. I don't think training honestly cares how much you get pair or credited for your late-notice training - they just want the monkey off their back by checking things off their to-do list and seem not to care if it is contractually compliant. By now, there's little chance they are accidentally violating the contract - inexperienced or not, it has to have been brought to their attention.

Originally Posted by Ryder1587

Is Delta OK with people taking military leave during the first year of probation? I’m sure it’s frowned upon but I’m talking for like 2-3 months.

Originally Posted by Ryder1587

Yeah I’m a military guy. It wouldn’t be from lying about availability. It would be that a 3 month flying course needs to happen but I don’t know the dates for it yet. And I won’t know until a couple months prior. For the reserves.

Originally Posted by Ryder1587

Is Delta OK with people taking military leave during the first year of probation? I’m sure it’s frowned upon but I’m talking for like 2-3 months.

Originally Posted by 20Fathoms

Update to the update:

Contract admin called me back and told me this happened to over 30 pilots this bid period! And that’s just the ones who caught it and called in to complain. Said they’ve told the company to knock it off, but quelle surprise they keep doing it. Other than that he said all I could do was file a PBS inquiry and email the CPO.

Very frustrating that the company can do this just cause they feel like it, contract be darned. We need better deterrents because it looks like “Keep your deals” ain’t working.