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sailingfun 07-02-2021 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3257464)
were you military or civilian track? I would assume he was talking about civilian RJ pilots. FWIW During my time at a regional, myself and most my friends there averaged about 700 hours a year. most the military pilots I have met, especially fighter pilots, don’t fly nearly that much because their job involves much more than just flying.

on a similar note to you, at the regional level, the 2 50+ guys we had in my class (1 mil and 1 civ) seemed to struggle a bit, however the people in the same age at DL new hire (2 mil and 1 or 2 civ) seemed to do fine

I was a hybrid pilot with both military and civilian training. The big difference for me was civilian training was a lot of theory but practical training was mostly center of the envelope flying. It also was low stress as you could train as long as your money held out. Military training was far more stringent academic work and theory followed up by actually doing those things in a aircraft. With 100 hours total time I was doing spins and every kind of departure from stable flight including 3 axis coupled departures in a twin engine jet as a example.
The military fighter guys might be short on flight time but almost all of it is hands on stick time with far more approaches and landings per flight hour. 80% of civilian flying is at cruise on autopilot. You also only get half the landings.
I had a friend who did the hiring interviews for Delta at a time when they hired 95% military. He was a Civilian pilot. I asked why he was not hiring more civilian pilots. He said that he really tries but the military guys were so much more polished in the interview process and their non flying backgrounds generally much stronger including academics. The polish part probably came from giving hundreds of flight briefs and presentations not to mention murder boards. He did state that civilian pilots who had non flying backgrounds that matched the military guys and showed up looking like they wanted the job and could present themselves well were always snapped up.

Gone Flying 07-02-2021 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3257943)
I was a hybrid pilot with both military and civilian training. The big difference for me was civilian training was a lot of theory but practical training was mostly center of the envelope flying. It also was low stress as you could train as long as your money held out. Military training was far more stringent academic work and theory followed up by actually doing those things in a aircraft. With 100 hours total time I was doing spins and every kind of departure from stable flight including 3 axis coupled departures in a twin engine jet as a example.
The military fighter guys might be short on flight time but almost all of it is hands on stick time with far more approaches and landings per flight hour. 80% of civilian flying is at cruise on autopilot. You also only get half the landings.
I had a friend who did the hiring interviews for Delta at a time when they hired 95% military. He was a Civilian pilot. I asked why he was not hiring more civilian pilots. He said that he really tries but the military guys were so much more polished in the interview process and their non flying backgrounds generally much stronger including academics. The polish part probably came from giving hundreds of flight briefs and presentations not to mention murder boards. He did state that civilian pilots who had non flying backgrounds that matched the military guys and showed up looking like they wanted the job and could present themselves well were always snapped up.

I was not trying to turn this into a Civ-mil discussion as much as I was trying to point out this issue of being overlooked because you are high time mainly applies to older RJ guys, not necessarily older mil guys.

LandGreen2 07-02-2021 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3257943)
I was a hybrid pilot with both military and civilian training. The big difference for me was civilian training was a lot of theory but practical training was mostly center of the envelope flying. It also was low stress as you could train as long as your money held out. Military training was far more stringent academic work and theory followed up by actually doing those things in a aircraft. With 100 hours total time I was doing spins and every kind of departure from stable flight including 3 axis coupled departures in a twin engine jet as a example.
The military fighter guys might be short on flight time but almost all of it is hands on stick time with far more approaches and landings per flight hour. 80% of civilian flying is at cruise on autopilot. You also only get half the landings.
I had a friend who did the hiring interviews for Delta at a time when they hired 95% military. He was a Civilian pilot. I asked why he was not hiring more civilian pilots. He said that he really tries but the military guys were so much more polished in the interview process and their non flying backgrounds generally much stronger including academics. The polish part probably came from giving hundreds of flight briefs and presentations not to mention murder boards. He did state that civilian pilots who had non flying backgrounds that matched the military guys and showed up looking like they wanted the job and could present themselves well were always snapped up.

I think someone way back in the thread said it best:

An airline interview especially these days appears to be an HR interview. If you fit within the HR envelope, THEN it seems the old pilots in the interview room get to choose who they want to sit next to for 4-6 hour flights.

I had a buddy who did not believe that passing the HR part was the most important part of an interview, and would not spend the $$ on the prep. He relied on his stellar mil background, masters degree and numerous recommendations. He got bounced and was super ****ed. Years later he finally admitted he was a young and stubborn dude who deserved to be bounced…ended up with a good gig flying Part 91 tho!

Funk 07-02-2021 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by LandGreen2 (Post 3257962)
I think someone way back in the thread said it best:

An airline interview especially these days appears to be an HR interview. If you fit within the HR envelope, THEN it seems the old pilots in the interview room get to choose who they want to sit next to for 4-6 hour flights.

I had a buddy who did not believe that passing the HR part was the most important part of an interview, and would not spend the $$ on the prep. He relied on his stellar mil background, masters degree and numerous recommendations. He got bounced and was super ****ed. Years later he finally admitted he was a young and stubborn dude who deserved to be bounced…ended up with a good gig flying Part 91 tho!


^^^^^^This also applies to professional application review before submission. I see five or six mil background applications for every civilian background application. I think the military pilots see it as a new world and they’re willing to use every tool to their advantage to navigate it. There are a host of RJ drivers I’ve reviewed already submitted applications, finding all kinds of errors that no one but the HR pros care about. It’s both comical and painful how many have gotten the interview invite shortly after the anniversary of when they originally submitted their applications, but now actually have them HR ready.


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