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J Fish 12-17-2021 06:51 PM

Designed rest
 
I returned from a two day reserve assignment today and checked my schedule in MiCrew at the gate. It still showed LC for the rest of the day. Tomorrow (18th) is a day off (IVD) followed by 4 days on call. At some point today, I was placed into designated rest upon the completion of my rotation but I didn’t get a notification of any kind. They obviously want to ensure my 30 hour clock is reset. My question is whether this rest is legal (towards my 30 hours) since I wasn’t notified about it.

Bait 12-17-2021 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by J Fish (Post 3337673)
I returned from a two day reserve assignment today and checked my schedule in MiCrew at the gate. It still showed LC for the rest of the day. Tomorrow (18th) is a day off (IVD) followed by 4 days on call. At some point today, I was placed into designated rest upon the completion of my rotation but I didn’t get a notification of any kind. They obviously want to ensure my 30 hour clock is reset. My question is whether this rest is legal (towards my 30 hours) since I wasn’t notified about it.

myCrew is not official for the schedule check. Has to be iCrew or call the VRU. You have to enable MyCrew to show rest periods in the settings. It’s possible it was there for your required schedule check but you wouldn’t see it in MyCrew if it isn’t enabled.

GogglesPisano 12-17-2021 07:46 PM

MiCrew is rumor.
iCrew is fact.

vyperdriver 12-17-2021 10:06 PM

Is putting someone at test at 0300 for example and not calling in the affirmative legal? I.e. suppose you don't check I crew until 3 pm for your next day schedule only to find that they placed you in rest while you were sleeping. In otherwords does there need to be positive contact made or simply passive assignment?

LumberJack 12-17-2021 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 3337735)
Is putting someone at test at 0300 for example and not calling in the affirmative legal? I.e. suppose you don't check I crew until 3 pm for your next day schedule only to find that they placed you in rest while you were sleeping. In otherwords does there need to be positive contact made or simply passive assignment?

No they can't surprise you with rest. Under 117 you need to know when, where, and how long your rest is BEFORE it starts. That's why your 10 hour clock doesn't start on an overnight if you arrive and it still shows "will call". In that case your 10 hours would start when they assign the hotel (or you book your own).

sailingfun 12-18-2021 02:48 AM


Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 3337735)
Is putting someone at test at 0300 for example and not calling in the affirmative legal? I.e. suppose you don't check I crew until 3 pm for your next day schedule only to find that they placed you in rest while you were sleeping. In otherwords does there need to be positive contact made or simply passive assignment?

You must be notified. If you had a required schedule check that would probably be notification. Simply posting it hoping you see it is not allowed.

tennisguru 12-18-2021 04:08 AM

I thought that going into a hard day off (IVD, APD, etc) you were automatically put into rest at noon. Since it's contractual and a known rest situation they don't ever notify you. Last month on reserve I would always get a CNO notification on my last on call day before a regular X day, but before a golden day I never got a notification even though rest was still put on there.

FL370esq 12-18-2021 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3337751)
You must be notified. If you had a required schedule check that is notification. Simply posting it hoping you see it is not allowed.

Fixed it for you. Other than a required check, the Company must call you. You do not have to answer but the Company must attempt a contact. Merely placing rest on your schedule does not satisfy 117.

DWC CAP10 USAF 12-18-2021 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by J Fish (Post 3337673)
I returned from a two day reserve assignment today and checked my schedule in MiCrew at the gate. It still showed LC for the rest of the day. Tomorrow (18th) is a day off (IVD) followed by 4 days on call. At some point today, I was placed into designated rest upon the completion of my rotation but I didn’t get a notification of any kind. They obviously want to ensure my 30 hour clock is reset. My question is whether this rest is legal (towards my 30 hours) since I wasn’t notified about it.


Originally Posted by Bait (Post 3337688)
myCrew is not official for the schedule check. Has to be iCrew or call the VRU. You have to enable MyCrew to show rest periods in the settings. It’s possible it was there for your required schedule check but you wouldn’t see it in MyCrew if it isn’t enabled.

Bait is 100% correct!

J Fish 12-18-2021 09:47 AM

Point taken about MiCrew vs iCrew but that isn’t the issue here. The rest was placed after block in and without any notification. Rest must be prospective in nature.

1. Is a proper schedule check without any sort of CNO legal for rest notification?

2. Can this schedule check happen anytime after block in or does one have to wait until 30 minutes after?

3. Is there a way to see a time stamp of when rest was placed on one’s schedule?

TED74 12-18-2021 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by J Fish (Post 3337957)
Point taken about MiCrew vs iCrew but that isn’t the issue here. The rest was placed after block in and without any notification. Rest must be prospective in nature.

1. Is a proper schedule check without any sort of CNO legal for rest notification?

2. Can this schedule check happen anytime after block in or does one have to wait until 30 minutes after?

3. Is there a way to see a time stamp of when rest was placed on one’s schedule?

Can’t answer all your questions, but for #1, yes, they assume you are complying with your obligation to check your schedule after your last leg blocks in, using icrew. That is your notification.

iCrew also contains rest information beyond the R on your schedule but it isn’t obvious. I honestly don’t even remember how to find it, but there is expanded data on when those rest periods begin and end…not sure if it shows when the rest was added to your schedule.

Redbird611 12-18-2021 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3337964)
iCrew also contains rest information beyond the R on your schedule but it isn’t obvious. I honestly don’t even remember how to find it, but there is expanded data on when those rest periods begin and end…not sure if it shows when the rest was added to your schedule.

Schedules > Schedule-Month > (Select, OK) > Display Reserve Rest Info

DWC CAP10 USAF 12-18-2021 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by J Fish (Post 3337957)
Point taken about MiCrew vs iCrew but that isn’t the issue here. The rest was placed after block in and without any notification. Rest must be prospective in nature.

1. Is a proper schedule check without any sort of CNO legal for rest notification?

2. Can this schedule check happen anytime after block in or does one have to wait until 30 minutes after?

3. Is there a way to see a time stamp of when rest was placed on one’s schedule?


1. PWA 23.S.3.f (RES pilot) state "who is assigned rest prior to release from a rotation, must acknowledge such assignment prior to release."

So yeah, they don't need to CNO you because you are required to check your schedule after block in but before release from a RES rotation, at which point you have self notified yourself.


2. PWA 23.1.d states "be required to check his schedule via DBMS or VRU after block-in of the last flight segment of his rotation prior to his release"

3. We can't see it with our user level permissions, but schedulers and ALPA Sched committee folks can see the exact minute something was placed on your schedule.

J Fish 12-18-2021 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF;[url=tel:3337970
3337970[/url]]1. PWA 23.S.3.f (RES pilot) state "who is assigned rest prior to release from a rotation, must acknowledge such assignment prior to release."

So yeah, they don't need to CNO you because you are required to check your schedule after block in but before release from a RES rotation, at which point you have self notified yourself.


2. PWA 23.1.d states "be required to check his schedule via DBMS or VRU after block-in of the last flight segment of his rotation prior to his release"

3. We can't see it with our user level permissions, but schedulers and ALPA Sched committee folks can see the exact minute something was placed on your schedule.

Thank you!

TED74 12-18-2021 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Redbird611 (Post 3337967)
Schedules > Schedule-Month > (Select, OK) > Display Reserve Rest Info

Thanks!

filler

FL370esq 12-18-2021 08:30 PM

Pretty sure any planned/prospective rest needs to generate a pop-up.requiring acknowledgement. You aren't required to go digging into iCrew to find that prospective rest has been assigned.

DWC CAP10 USAF 12-19-2021 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3338294)
Pretty sure any planned/prospective rest needs to generate a pop-up.requiring acknowledgement. You aren't required to go digging into iCrew to find that prospective rest has been assigned.

Check out my reply at post #13.

He doesn’t have to dig, he just has to check his schedule after block in before release….if assigned rest, it will be there.

FL370esq 12-19-2021 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3338328)
Check out my reply at post #13.

He doesn’t have to dig, he just has to check his schedule after block in before release….if assigned rest, it will be there.

And that is my point. If you are assigned rest, you will have an iCrew pop-up that tells you.

The bigger issue has been when the Company puts rest on your schedule but doesn't notify you by phone and it occurs after you are required to check your schedule. Can't just slip it on the sked and not tell the pilot.

vyperdriver 12-19-2021 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3338345)
And that is my point. If you are assigned rest, you will have an iCrew pop-up that tells you.

The bigger issue has been when the Company puts rest on your schedule but doesn't notify you by phone and it occurs after you are required to check your schedule. Can't just slip it on the sked and not tell the pilot.

this is exactly what happened to me this past summer. When i was tasked, i told them i didn't have adequate rest, was unfit for duty, and i was paid no problem after it was looked at. Note i was on duty for 9 days straight.

DWC CAP10 USAF 12-19-2021 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3338345)

The bigger issue has been when the Company puts rest on your schedule but doesn't notify you by phone and it occurs after you are required to check your schedule. Can't just slip it on the sked and not tell the pilot.

I LOVE when that happens....telling the scheduler that I won't be flying the rotation or sitting the SC because I didn't receive proper notification or rest gives me a special feeling in the cockles of my heart...maybe below the cockles...maybe in the sub cockle area.

Bait 12-19-2021 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3337922)
Bait is 100% correct!

hey! There is a first time for everything! Can I show this to my wife?

notEnuf 12-20-2021 05:43 AM

FYI there is no required schedule check coming off vacation like coming off of Xdays. If they want you to do something they have to call you during your long call and put you on rest before an assignment. 23.S.3.d.2)b) (exception)

Iceberg 12-20-2021 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3338956)
FYI there is no required schedule check coming off vacation like coming off of Xdays. If they want you to do something they have to call you during your long call and put you on rest before an assignment. 23.S.3.d.2)b) (exception)

Good pointer, thanks!

I’ll forget by my next vacation, but still appreciated.


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