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Old 05-13-2022 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
I wouldn't believe anything you are currently seeing


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This.

No one knows except the people in the room and it doesn’t benefit anyone to leak it until the language is finalized.

I’m not paying any attention to the rumors. All that’s important is that they have an AIP. Don’t get wrapped around the axle on details that are highly likely to be incorrect or incomplete.
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Old 05-13-2022 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
This.

No one knows except the people in the room and it doesn’t benefit anyone to leak it until the language is finalized.

I’m not paying any attention to the rumors. All that’s important is that they have an AIP. Don’t get wrapped around the axle on details that are highly likely to be incorrect or incomplete.
never underestimate how badly people love to gossip with their friends
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Old 05-13-2022 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Ed should really stick it to UAL by giving us 45% day one. UAL would be up 50%!!!

Go Ed! Show em!
It was explained to me it’s a max of 5%. Who really knows at this point.
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Old 05-13-2022 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
This.

No one knows except the people in the room and it doesn’t benefit anyone to leak it until the language is finalized.

I’m not paying any attention to the rumors. All that’s important is that they have an AIP. Don’t get wrapped around the axle on details that are highly likely to be incorrect or incomplete.
The rumors of our past contracts have been pretty accurate if I remember correctly
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Old 05-13-2022 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
never underestimate how badly people love to gossip with their friends
No kidding. Like when it leaked about the 4,8,3,3 with all kinds of little concessions….quickly followed by “don’t believe the rumors” from the future salesmen…those numbers were with 1/2%……
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Old 05-14-2022 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Boatbuilder
It must be true. My first cousin, twice removed, brother-in-law and a 1/2 saw it on the internet!
They also saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night, so it must be pretty serious.
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Old 05-14-2022 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by cantflylist
So if UAL has a Me too @ AAL/DAL +5, and AAL and DAL put me too in as well, do we end up with a $gazillion rates? Asking for a friend
I like it. An uncontrollable escalatory runaway loophole. No one tell mgmt. 🤫 Boy will they have egg on their face!
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Old 05-29-2022 | 02:17 PM
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Posted this in another thread but got buried:

For the uninitiated like me, what actually happens with voting no on a TA? Why would that do anything effective? Can’t the company just say “sorry you voted no, too bad. Take it or leave it?” Can it potentially become worse when TA2 comes around?

WRT voting no can somebody explain the benefits and process? I’m uneasy about sending a 8/10 contract back to the table, in the hopes of a 10/10, when it just drags things out longer and the best possible was 8/10 anyway.

I’m sure I’m misunderstanding it but hoping for some clarification. Thank you.
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Old 05-29-2022 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Python1287
Posted this in another thread but got buried:

For the uninitiated like me, what actually happens with voting no on a TA? Why would that do anything effective? Can’t the company just say “sorry you voted no, too bad. Take it or leave it?” Can it potentially become worse when TA2 comes around?

WRT voting no can somebody explain the benefits and process? I’m uneasy about sending a 8/10 contract back to the table, in the hopes of a 10/10, when it just drags things out longer and the best possible was 8/10 anyway.

I’m sure I’m misunderstanding it but hoping for some clarification. Thank you.

The parties go back to negotiations. There is a house cleaning within alpa. Reps are recalled, the admin and NC are likely changed. That takes time. They will negotiate a new deal. Maybe it’s better, maybe it’s not. Last time our next deal was significantly better, it took a little over a year. People will talk about the time value of money as an argument to take the bird in the hand. Everyone will want to justify their decision with their predictions for the future. IMO, you should judge any TA based on its merits, and the likely outcomes of it passing/failing.
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Old 05-29-2022 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
The parties go back to negotiations. There is a house cleaning within alpa. Reps are recalled, the admin and NC are likely changed. That takes time. They will negotiate a new deal. Maybe it’s better, maybe it’s not. Last time our next deal was significantly better, it took a little over a year. People will talk about the time value of money as an argument to take the bird in the hand. Everyone will want to justify their decision with their predictions for the future. IMO, you should judge any TA based on its merits, and the likely outcomes of it passing/failing.
When you look at the concessions in TA2 especially the 1 year extension, significantly better in hindsight is probably not correct. That extension is proving to be devastating.
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