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LumberJack 01-18-2022 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3355389)
Everyone has a price. I'll be willing to open up productivity as long as they are willing to make it rain.

200%+ pay at minimum for any kind of reroute shanighans

You gotta pay that cost to be a boss Delta

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Fixed it for you.

Yuko 01-18-2022 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3355406)
23k references section 23K of our PWA (pilot working agreement…aka contract).

23K spells out our obligations for recovery flying during IROPS.

Thanks

filler

Trip7 01-18-2022 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by jaxsurf (Post 3355394)
Open up productivity? You think productivity is currently low?



Or do you just hate your family and desire to be gone from home 24/7 in exchange for money?

Lol. Talk about going to the extreme. Simply willing to look at some productivity options IF the company is willing to pay up does not translate into wanting to be away from home 24/7. No specific contract language was even mentioned.

BTW, for the amount of money this career makes we have PLENTY of time off. Compare schedules with a Doctor, Investment Banker, Entrepreneur, etc

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interceptorpilo 01-18-2022 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3355413)
Lol. Talk about going to the extreme. Simply willing to look at some productivity options IF the company is willing to pay up does not translate into wanting to be away from home 24/7. No specific contract language was even mentioned.

BTW, for the amount of money this career makes we have PLENTY of time off. Compare schedules with a Doctor, Investment Banker, Entrepreneur, etc

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TrIp:

You are way off. The schedules of Doctors, Investment Bankers and Entrepreneurs generally allow them to be home every night, to have control over their schedule, get weekends and holidays off and not have their career tied to a six month check up on their health. Our time off is well earned. In almost all cases our days at work translate to nights away from home. We are required to retire at 65 unlike the professions you mentioned. And in many cases we are forced to retire early due to medical issues. Our profession is very fragile and requires an intense amount of training. PLEASE do not try to sell us short!

Trip7 01-18-2022 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by interceptorpilo (Post 3355428)
TrIp:



You are way off. The schedules of Doctors, Investment Bankers and Entrepreneurs generally allow them to be home every night, to have control over their schedule, get weekends and holidays off and not have their career tied to a six month check up on their health. Our time off is well earned. In almost all cases our days at work translate to nights away from home. We are required to retire at 65 unlike the professions you mentioned. And in many cases we are forced to retire early due to medical issues. Our profession is very fragile and requires an intense amount of training. PLEASE do not try to sell us short!

If you value being home every night you picked the wrong career. Airline Pilots can continue flying for well over six figures after mandatory retirement. My original point still stands, the time off airline pilots enjoy compared to other careers making the same money is absolutely outstanding. That's why many pilots have side businesses. I'm not selling anything short. Airline Pilots have incredible leverage right now. I'm will to use it rather than sit on my hands and offer nothing to the company

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GogglesPisano 01-18-2022 04:36 PM

Reroute me all you want.

But any change to the original rotation should pay above the original rotation guarantee. With simple language that doesn’t require a lawyer next to me to decipher. And no exceptions or carve outs for anything. No “Sorry 23K paragraph U26 subpart 16 exception 3u allows us to not pay you because although we decided to make the change prior to the airborne departure of your first leg we didn’t actually notify of your reroute so therefore it is not a reroute and it only applies to Tuesdays and Sundays and just ignore the “Leg Cancelled” on your schedule.”

The Company gets its operational integrity. We get coin for our troubles.

TED74 01-18-2022 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3355413)
BTW, for the amount of money this career makes we have PLENTY of time off. Compare schedules with a Doctor, Investment Banker, Entrepreneur, etc

None of them miss birthdays, anniversaries or holidays with regularity. All of them can change employers at will, often for better competitive offers. All of them can guarantee they’ll be at any wedding or special event they want to attend - even their own, and even in the summer time. Many of them make more than we do - some by orders of magnitude.

Whatever you do outside of APC, please do me a favor and don’t negotiate on my behalf. I don’t have plenty of time off. I would like quite a bit more, at times I want to be off, and with some semblance of control over that time off without sacrificing significant pay. And I don’t want to cede all control of my schedule for a year when it is time to make a career step to another aircraft or seat.

Trip7 01-18-2022 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3355436)
Reroute me all you want.



But any change to the original rotation should pay above the original rotation guarantee. With simple language (<— like that) that doesn’t require a lawyer next to me to decipher. And no exceptions or carve outs for anything. No “Sorry 23K paragraph U26 subpart 16 exception 3u allows us to not pay you.”



The Company gets its operational integrity. We get coin for our troubles.

Well said. Agree completely

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GogglesPisano 01-18-2022 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3355439)
Well said. Agree completely

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Wait, quote me again. I got more creative.

interceptorpilo 01-18-2022 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3355434)
If you value being home every night you picked the wrong career. Airline Pilots can continue flying for well over six figures after mandatory retirement. My original point still stands, the time off airline pilots enjoy compared to other careers making the same money is absolutely outstanding. That's why many pilots have side businesses. I'm not selling anything short. Airline Pilots have incredible leverage right now. I'm will to use it rather than sit on my hands and offer nothing to the company

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Trip

I do value being at home and so should you. YOU are the one who brought other careers into comparison. You did it to prove a point that we get more time off than those careers while making similar money. You left out all the the very important negatives to our careers that do not apply to those careers. How can you not bring nights away from home into the calculus of career comparison? And then basically insult me by saying I am in the wrong career? How dare you?

Most of my friends are doctors, entrepreneurs and investors. NONE of them miss birthdays, holidays and important events. They all make similar or more money than I do. They spend very few nights away from home and can control what nights those are.
If you are going to make comparisons then please make them with your eyes open.


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