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03-17-2022 | 03:21 PM
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I agree with you. It just ****es me off that I pay DALPA over $600 per month to watch the non-union employees do better than us. I've said it before. We're better off with ALPA than without, the non-union are better off having us unionized than not, but the non-unionized are better off than us.
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03-17-2022 | 03:31 PM
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IDK or care. But it seems to have affected a 11/30/21 new hire that is holding 73A in NY now. More A positions at the top mean more A positions open at the bottom. Do you not understand that? At least we have it. Just accept that there are things we have in our contract that are good. Who gives a purple dump on who it helps. It creates more Captains at every level Sherlock. That’s good. United doesn’t. My buds there wish they had that. And yes, it helps the very senior…. Where many will end up some day. Oh and it helped the very junior as well.
03-17-2022 | 03:49 PM
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I agree with you. It just ****es me off that I pay DALPA over $600 per month to watch the non-union employees do better than us. I've said it before. We're better off with ALPA than without, the non-union are better off having us unionized than not, but the non-unionized are better off than us.
03-17-2022 | 04:08 PM
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But what you have to realize is that both those numbers would be more senior if we had the same staffing as UAL/AAL with 1 CA and 3 FOs.
I have a little over 3 years to go and I am jealous as Hell of what you younger guys are gonna have available in the coming years.
03-17-2022 | 04:25 PM
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IDK or care. But it seems to have affected a 11/30/21 new hire that is holding 73A in NY now. More A positions at the top mean more A positions open at the bottom. Do you not understand that? At least we have it. Just accept that there are things we have in our contract that are good. Who gives a purple dump on who it helps. It creates more Captains at every level Sherlock. That’s good. United doesn’t. My buds there wish they had that. And yes, it helps the very senior…. Where many will end up some day. Oh and it helped the very junior as well.
03-17-2022 | 04:37 PM
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I think the point of the post you responded to is that DAL uses more captains on a smaller number of widebodies with ULH flying than do either UAL or AAL. We have a ton of 350s coming as well as 330s, so that delay in getting to that ULH widebody will get shorter as time goes on. DTW 350 has quite a few 8000 seniority FOs. CA is down to 2800 or so. I can guarantee you that the plugs will get some of that ULH flying because 70 hour layover ICN trips are not the greatest. SEA 330 FOs go down to 9000. There is some 4 man there as well I believe.
But what you have to realize is that both those numbers would be more senior if we had the same staffing as UAL/AAL with 1 CA and 3 FOs.
I have a little over 3 years to go and I am jealous as Hell of what you younger guys are gonna have available in the coming years.
But what you have to realize is that both those numbers would be more senior if we had the same staffing as UAL/AAL with 1 CA and 3 FOs.
I have a little over 3 years to go and I am jealous as Hell of what you younger guys are gonna have available in the coming years.
03-17-2022 | 04:43 PM
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I agree with you. It just ****es me off that I pay DALPA over $600 per month to watch the non-union employees do better than us. I've said it before. We're better off with ALPA than without, the non-union are better off having us unionized than not, but the non-unionized are better off than us.
03-17-2022 | 04:50 PM
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The grass is always greener. I’m quite sure some of your narrowbody captain coworkers are jealous as hell that you’ll spend your last ~5 years in one of our very limited top-rate Captain slots.
03-17-2022 | 04:52 PM
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Regarding the 2 Capt vs 1 Capt long haul point, hypothetically, lets say DL has all their 350's and UAL has all their 777/787/400 airborne at the same time, and lets say every DL 350 is flying > 12 hours requiring double Capts and every United 777/787/400 was flying < 13 hours only requiring a single Capt.
Delta would have 34 Capts on those 17 aircraft making top pay rate
United would have 175 Capts on 175 aircraft making top pay.
34 vs 175....Not even close to being an "equilizer"
Even when we have the 44 x A-350's that we are currently forecast to have...that would still be 88 DL Capts to 175 UAL Capts, so about half.
Hell, put 4 Captain on those 44 A-350's and it would be 176 for Delta and 175 for United.
United's WB pilot cost per block hour is almost $1,000 more than Delta's.
Delta would have 34 Capts on those 17 aircraft making top pay rate
United would have 175 Capts on 175 aircraft making top pay.
34 vs 175....Not even close to being an "equilizer"
Even when we have the 44 x A-350's that we are currently forecast to have...that would still be 88 DL Capts to 175 UAL Capts, so about half.
Hell, put 4 Captain on those 44 A-350's and it would be 176 for Delta and 175 for United.
United's WB pilot cost per block hour is almost $1,000 more than Delta's.
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