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Snookered 08-01-2022 09:23 AM

Can you front end deviate to a layover that is less than 10.5 hours long?

flyinthrew 08-01-2022 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Snookered (Post 3470978)
Can you front end deviate to a layover that is less than 10.5 hours long?

You can do whatever. The one caveat is that if there was a backup flight available for the originally scheduled DH, the FOM says, roughly, you’re going to get a paddling if the flight you deviate to doesn’t also have a backup and something goes wrong.

Snookered 08-01-2022 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by flyinthrew (Post 3470979)
You can do whatever. The one caveat is that if there was a backup flight available for the originally scheduled DH, the FOM says, roughly, you’re going to get a paddling if the flight you deviate to doesn’t also have a backup and something goes wrong.

Copy. There are at least 2 flights available after the scheduled DH for the trip. Just didn’t know if was legal to deviate into anything less than the required min layover time. Thanks.

Myfingershurt 08-01-2022 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3470907)
I think he wants to use his career earned seniority in any manner he chooses. It's that efin simple. 65 is a thing, I hated it because it put my career on hold for 5 years and I oppose 67 for the same reason, but you have to deal with it.

It’s also the efin simple that career seniority ends at 65 and just cause those guys wanna change the rules of the game to suit them now doesn’t make any less BS.

LandGreen2 08-01-2022 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3470885)
So you want to allow them to fly part time to cush destinations while guys have to sweat it out longer in domestic categories because these senior guys don't know how to find hobbies?



ummm yup pretty much! Those guys we are talking about benefitting from 67 had to in your words "sweat it out longer in domestic categories"when they changed 60-65, lost their pension, furloughed while not having upgrade opportunities for 10 plus years of their careers.

So ya I think we can suck it up and "sweat it out"
if 67 passes. I don't believe anyone younger than 60 who say they wouldn't at least like have the opportunity to work. The shaming of those guys choosing to fly longer by guys like you not wanting to "sweat it out in domestic categories" is very selfish and narrow minded

OOfff 08-01-2022 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by LandGreen2 (Post 3471007)
ummm yup pretty much! Those guys we are talking about benefitting from 67 had to in your words "sweat it out longer in domestic categories"when they changed 60-65, lost their pension, furloughed while not having upgrade opportunities for 10 plus years of their careers.

So ya I think we can suck it up and "sweat it out"
if 67 passes. I don't believe anyone younger than 60 who say they wouldn't at least like have the opportunity to work. The shaming of those guys choosing to fly longer by guys like you not wanting to "sweat it out in domestic categories" is very selfish and narrow minded

You…do realize that the younger pilots also dealt with age 65, right?

notEnuf 08-01-2022 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3471014)
You…do realize that the younger pilots also dealt with age 65, right?

Absolutely but they knew that going in. For me it was 60 and the stagnation was imposed mid-career. And as I said earlier, we have to deal with it, which I am /have.

JamesBond 08-01-2022 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3471014)
You…do realize that the younger pilots also dealt with age 65, right?

How many of them also had to deal with the loss of their retirement in mid career?

LandGreen2 08-01-2022 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3471014)
You…do realize that the younger pilots also dealt with age 65, right?

The pilots who entered the airline industry before age 65 was enacted; yes you are right. Those pilots entering the industry after age 65, nope

O R C A 08-01-2022 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3471035)
Absolutely but they knew that going in. For me it was 60 and the stagnation was imposed mid-career. And as I said earlier, we have to deal with it, which I am /have.

Wrong. After $100,000 sunk for flight school, bachelors, and instructing for 1.5 years they changed the age limit. Ended up spending an additional 5 years as a regional FO (9 years total FO pay) If I saw that outcome prior to college I would have chose a different path. That’s also why regional pay is sky rocketing now. Many have would be pilots have seen my generations career, and opted for a different field.


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