Trip7

This is how short term thinking gets pilots in trouble. All 88 717s did not show up over night. It takes time to get resources in place for a large hiring wave If you look at the big picture, C2012 was absolutely a windfall for career progression. Delta lead the entire world in hiring and profit sharing over the last 10 years. No airline comes close to the 5600 pilots hired after C2012



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Margaritaville

Serious question for you 777. Since you obviously don't indulge in the negativity most pilots do, maybe you can give a sober opinion. Do you think Delta's best years are behind them? Everything I've read lately it sounds like your current CEO fell asleep at the switch and now the gears of the money machine are grinding to a halt. UA seems to be the new industry darling and even AA is catching up. You really think Delta is going to continue the trend of the last decade like this?

Trip7

There is no airline that will be the industry darling this summer. United canceled their fair share of flights as well this weekend. This Summer will be an unmitigated disaster for all airlines. And the airline industry won't be alone. Hotels, rental cars, fuel hell even Baby Formula have incredibly significant supply chain issues. But overall these are short term issues. Over a 7-10 year period I believe Delta still will produce the strongest profit margins of the legacy carriers. The domestic network is robust and international is about to expand. Are Delta's best years behind us? Absolutely not. But the next few months will be a struggle. And Delta won't be alone. Pent up demand is Real.

Big Picture wise the Legacy Airlines have become oligopolies after a flurry of mergers. Anybody can run them and they'll make money. Outside of Black Swan events like COVID, the Legacies can make money in all cycles. Thus pilots at all three airlines are bound to do well.

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boog123

Why don’t you go ahead and factor in some
attrition to those. The facts are that the sell job on 717’s for RJ’s was bull crap. They were coming regardless due to the needed lift and bargain we got, especially with our SE route structure. Adding more RJ’s was the ADG’s mission. Watch Gomez and Bar weasel their way thru the questions at the roadshows. Gross

First Break

I don’t believe Trip was around at that time, which isn’t a criticism on him btw. The world didn’t start the day any one of us got hired here. History does matter, and I specifically remember a barrage of comm demonstrating immediate hiring plans IF C2012 passed. And the comms didn’t come from the Company.

The greater point that I (poorly) was trying to make, is that the MEC now, collectively, has multiple decades of experience attempting to manage domestic and global partners. It is a pretty safe assumption that our current language was written without the benefit of any of those experiences. What is obnoxious is people like Bucking coming out of the woodwork to defend status quo and pretend that the people who wrote it 20 years ago anticipated everything Delta was going to do with global partners for the subsequent two decades, before the business plan was even a glimmer in Bastian’s eye. Anyone who applies a modicum of critical thought knows that just can’t be true.

I’m seeing this global concept as a positive opportunity, if done well and if any of the lessons learned over the last 2 decades have been applied.

boog123

good to be hopeful, but in the 25 years I’ve been here, the only deal I have seen that has increased Intl WB flying is none.

boog123

good to be hopeful, but in the 23 years I’ve been here, the non of the new deals has resulted in more flying. Hell the Pacific Floor BS that the ADG guys were so excited about selling resulted in an almost 100% decrease in flying. They were so excited to sell it cause it originally was a big NW thing that they failed to see what was really happening.

First Break

And, the often missed booger in that sandwich is that for the Pacific block hour floor under 1E2e to even apply, Delta must place its code on flights beyond Japan to other Asian cities. Considering 1) we have no partner in Japan, and 2) we dismantled NRT, I’m not sure the BH floor even exists today. I’m sure it’s wrapped in a force majeure cloak for the time being anyway, but either way it’s nullified if Delta doesn’t code beyond Japan. We didn’t think they’d do that, either.

Trip7

Ah yes Boog, it was the language that resulted in almost 100% decrease of flying to the Pacific. Pay no attention to the COVID19 Pandemic, most of Asia's Zero COVID policies or the fact the few Asia flights remaining have load factors less than 10%. Let's let Boog run the company so we can send Pre Pandemic levels of flying into Asia and incinerate cash

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Eddiewouldgo

Our Pacific flying had decreased dramatically well before the pandemic started.