DAL Check airman pay?
#21
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: B737 FO
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Problem with that is our LCP pay is based on block time. So on a 717, a 21 hour 4 day with 15 legs may only block 14 hours. Override on 14 hours for significantly more work is a tough sell.
As for guys dropping and swapping when they're senior...I'm genuinely curious who has coverage, and who doesn't know how to bid. Bid right the first time and you won't have to swap.
As for guys dropping and swapping when they're senior...I'm genuinely curious who has coverage, and who doesn't know how to bid. Bid right the first time and you won't have to swap.
#22
I have done 1 trip in the last 8 months that was not an OE. If we get a contract in the next three years, LCP pay better be a) retroactive, and b) eye watering... or I am thinking a lot of them will quit for the greenies they are passing up.
#23
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
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As far as not being able to GS, I don't understand that. I have no problem GSing at all. I also wait for the OE planners to reach out to me if they need a LC done. I'm not volunteering days, bc they are exactly that....volunteer.
How is being an LCA limiting GS's? I admit you can't swap around schedule after OE is on your line, but neither can most anyone once the days are negative unless they are swapping out of trips to pick up severely negative trips next day out.
#24
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 717A
Posts: 532
If they haven't quit now, you think more will quit later after a deal is passed? Not likely. I became a LCP not too long ago specifically bc they are having an issue attracting KNOWING it will improve which will make it harder after a deal.
As far as not being able to GS, I don't understand that. I have no problem GSing at all. I also wait for the OE planners to reach out to me if they need a LC done. I'm not volunteering days, bc they are exactly that....volunteer.
How is being an LCA limiting GS's? I admit you can't swap around schedule after OE is on your line, but neither can most anyone once the days are negative unless they are swapping out of trips to pick up severely negative trips next day out.
As far as not being able to GS, I don't understand that. I have no problem GSing at all. I also wait for the OE planners to reach out to me if they need a LC done. I'm not volunteering days, bc they are exactly that....volunteer.
How is being an LCA limiting GS's? I admit you can't swap around schedule after OE is on your line, but neither can most anyone once the days are negative unless they are swapping out of trips to pick up severely negative trips next day out.
#25
Originally Posted by marcal;[url=tel:3427597
3427597[/url]]If they haven't quit now, you think more will quit later after a deal is passed? Not likely. I became a LCP not too long ago specifically bc they are having an issue attracting KNOWING it will improve which will make it harder after a deal.
As far as not being able to GS, I don't understand that. I have no problem GSing at all. I also wait for the OE planners to reach out to me if they need a LC done. I'm not volunteering days, bc they are exactly that....volunteer.
How is being an LCA limiting GS's? I admit you can't swap around schedule after OE is on your line, but neither can most anyone once the days are negative unless they are swapping out of trips to pick up severely negative trips next day out.
As far as not being able to GS, I don't understand that. I have no problem GSing at all. I also wait for the OE planners to reach out to me if they need a LC done. I'm not volunteering days, bc they are exactly that....volunteer.
How is being an LCA limiting GS's? I admit you can't swap around schedule after OE is on your line, but neither can most anyone once the days are negative unless they are swapping out of trips to pick up severely negative trips next day out.
It’s category dependent of course, but even a pilot who is at 65-80% could bid reserve, move Xdays to (some) weekends, and get the GSs on Xdays, so they fly less than a line and make easily over 100 hrs pay, usually 130 or more. The LCA override doesn’t cover that. Most LCA I know are working way more and making way less than rolling partial thunder.
#26
If they haven't quit now, you think more will quit later after a deal is passed? Not likely. I became a LCP not too long ago specifically bc they are having an issue attracting KNOWING it will improve which will make it harder after a deal.
As far as not being able to GS, I don't understand that. I have no problem GSing at all. I also wait for the OE planners to reach out to me if they need a LC done. I'm not volunteering days, bc they are exactly that....volunteer.
How is being an LCA limiting GS's? I admit you can't swap around schedule after OE is on your line, but neither can most anyone once the days are negative unless they are swapping out of trips to pick up severely negative trips next day out.
As far as not being able to GS, I don't understand that. I have no problem GSing at all. I also wait for the OE planners to reach out to me if they need a LC done. I'm not volunteering days, bc they are exactly that....volunteer.
How is being an LCA limiting GS's? I admit you can't swap around schedule after OE is on your line, but neither can most anyone once the days are negative unless they are swapping out of trips to pick up severely negative trips next day out.
#27
It’s more their problem, not ours. Same with SLI pay/work rules. Of course we individually all expect/deserve more, but the collective problem is theirs to solve.
Overall Retro is less about the money than it is about disincentivizing the company to drag its feet. If we yield on that, we will never have an on-time contract again. Or retro again, for that matter.
#28
Retro on LCP pay specifically??? Retro on Section 3 yes, but making the improved LCP pay retro is fantasy. The eye watering improvements is what I would expect. And from what I’ve heard generically, the improvements are significant, but we’ll see.
It’s more their problem, not ours. Same with SLI pay/work rules. Of course we individually all expect/deserve more, but the collective problem is theirs to solve.
Overall Retro is less about the money than it is about disincentivizing the company to drag its feet. If we yield on that, we will never have an on-time contract again. Or retro again, for that matter.
It’s more their problem, not ours. Same with SLI pay/work rules. Of course we individually all expect/deserve more, but the collective problem is theirs to solve.
Overall Retro is less about the money than it is about disincentivizing the company to drag its feet. If we yield on that, we will never have an on-time contract again. Or retro again, for that matter.
#30
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,104
I can't speak for all fleets but my LLCP is very clear to do what we need to in order to remain happy and engaged when it comes to our schedules and students. And we currently have no major OE delays at all on this particular fleet.
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