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Old 05-20-2022, 04:12 AM
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Just read the MEC email update on negotiation.

Industry leading per diem tied to inflation. Something we’ve always asked for and never believed would be accomplished. The NC did an incredible job on this. Some will complain that it is only per diem, but I would argue it sets the tone that inflation is eating us alive. It is also advantageous for tax purposes.

The rest of the update on vacation, retirement and quality of life our negotiators made it crystal clear management has brought No value to the table and laid out the Delta pilots direction that there must be major gains.

The stronger you support for our excellent negotiators, the better this agreement will be. This pilot shortage and training backlog has created the best negotiating environment in the history of our profession.


Take the time to read this update twice.

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Good synopsis, to add its concerning a seemingly easy section like DHing has been parked by the mediator. That tells me the company has fortress level protection over its revenue management system and PS is definitely gone unless United successfully negotiated for it. Overall good update.

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Good synopsis, to add its concerning a seemingly easy section like DHing has been parked by the mediator. That tells me the company has fortress level protection over its revenue management system and PS is definitely gone unless United successfully negotiated for it. Overall good update.

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makes me consider that the company just wants us to pay for their win. Ie, it’s a win-win, but if the mgmt team pretends it’s a huge cost center, they make us negotiate for it. If they eventually want to give it to us they will, but why not try and get something for it out of us in the meantime?

it could also be held in reserve in their anti-unionization efforts. Ie, don’t go down that path and we’ll keep positive space but it’s too costly if you unionize!

lots of possibilities but no surprise that they don’t want to change large variables from “how it’s always been done.”

keep up the work, NC. Seems like it’s going in the right direction.
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Industry leading pay tied to inflation would be something to shout from the rooftops. Industry leading per diem..? Not so much. Don’t get me wrong, I like per diem. Up to the limit the feds allow it is tax free, and the better off you are the more tax freed dollars are important.But it is less than $3 an hour and even if inflation hits 10% a year that winds up being what? Maybe $8 a day? Maybe 150 days a year? Don’t get me wrong,$1200 a year is nice, especially tax free, but if the pay isn’t offset for inflation as well, you are still losing a h€|| of a lot more real buying power than offsetting Per Diem for inflation gains back.

it’s nice, but nothing to really brag about.
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Theyre just trying to tie showing up for work as pay, instead of us trying to get as close to 0 hours flying with maybe 800-1000 credit hours. When the perdiem starts stacking into two car payments you might actually be there.
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
Just read the MEC email update on negotiation.

Industry leading per diem tied to inflation. Something we’ve always asked for and never believed would be accomplished. The NC did an incredible job on this. Some will complain that it is only per diem, but I would argue it sets the tone that inflation is eating us alive. It is also advantageous for tax purposes.

The rest of the update on vacation, retirement and quality of life our negotiators made it crystal clear management has brought No value to the table and laid out the Delta pilots direction that there must be major gains.

The stronger you support for our excellent negotiators, the better this agreement will be. This pilot shortage and training backlog has created the best negotiating environment in the history of our profession.


Take the time to read this update twice.

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I agree the NC has done a good job with this. Looks like they also have done some good work on getting us crew meals - important to me as a QOL item.
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All great but nothing substantial. If this is a congratulations, I'll abstain. Honestly there's not much they can do until management sees the light, except not cave.
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I think we were in a much better overall negotiating position when the company was repeatedly making $6B a year.

The training backlog and shortage are only strong leverage if we are willing to give them relief to those things. I don’t think we are, so that leverage is much less than you seem to think, IMO.

But I agree getting the camel’s nose under inflation’s tent is a definite win.
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I’m curious how they did this.

I wonder if they have ever tried to get the government M&I rate for whatever our layover city is.

im very glad to see stuff like this, non taxable gains to our contract
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Industry leading pay tied to inflation would be something to shout from the rooftops. Industry leading per diem..? Not so much.
Assuming its written well, I'm excited about this. To my knowledge no pilot group has ever secured inflationary protections. While pay is obviously more important than per diem for this, this establishes a critical precedent where there previously wasn't ever one.
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