Company breaking the contract again
05-21-2022, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
Didn’t UA and AA pare down there schedules to actually match for staffing?
05-22-2022, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
Fwiw they are not violating the contract by implementing m7. They are violating it by not identifying and paying the proper pilot until alpa submits a dispute
05-22-2022, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
Fwiw they are not violating the contract by implementing m7. They are violating it by not identifying and paying the proper pilot until alpa submits a dispute
05-22-2022, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
No exactly correct. The intent of M7 is to protect the operation when they have a pop up short term need for a pilot for a specific rotation. It is not intended to be invoked on a blanket basis or to cover trips the next day. The fact the company can’t process open time on a timely basis is also not a reason to use M7. I believe the company acknowledged their use recently was not contractually correct.
Originally Posted by notEnuf
Pretty sure the intent of m7 is being violated and being forcefully expanded to a level that never was used before. At least that’s what the memo signed by anyone who ever dealt with this before says. This is a kin to a sick out on the pilots side. Yes, it’s in the PWA but you aren’t allowed to lead, coordinate and execute a harmful new tactic. This ignores the purpose of m7 and is like using emergency authority as a regular operating tool.
has it been used this way in the past? Not that anyone can find…do I think it’s bs? Absolutely, but nothing in the contract is preventing them from doing it. Unfortunately this is another one of those we didn’t think they would do that type of moments
05-22-2022, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
actually it’s 100% correct. There is NOTHING in the pwa or negotiators notes preventing them from covering trips this way.
when it was negotiated, the nc chair allowed it for both 23.n and 23.o…..which is all the way to end of next day rotations.
has it been used this way in the past? Not that anyone can find…do I think it’s bs? Absolutely, but nothing in the contract is preventing them from doing it. Unfortunately this is another one of those we didn’t think they would do that type of moments
when it was negotiated, the nc chair allowed it for both 23.n and 23.o…..which is all the way to end of next day rotations.
has it been used this way in the past? Not that anyone can find…do I think it’s bs? Absolutely, but nothing in the contract is preventing them from doing it. Unfortunately this is another one of those we didn’t think they would do that type of moments
05-22-2022, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Past practice has as much weight as NN
05-22-2022, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Past practice has as much weight as NN
05-22-2022, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
actually it’s 100% correct. There is NOTHING in the pwa or negotiators notes preventing them from covering trips this way.
when it was negotiated, the nc chair allowed it for both 23.n and 23.o…..which is all the way to end of next day rotations.
has it been used this way in the past? Not that anyone can find…do I think it’s bs? Absolutely, but nothing in the contract is preventing them from doing it. Unfortunately this is another one of those we didn’t think they would do that type of moments
when it was negotiated, the nc chair allowed it for both 23.n and 23.o…..which is all the way to end of next day rotations.
has it been used this way in the past? Not that anyone can find…do I think it’s bs? Absolutely, but nothing in the contract is preventing them from doing it. Unfortunately this is another one of those we didn’t think they would do that type of moments
05-22-2022, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Read the company letter on the use of M7. It’s a close as you will get to a outright admission they were wrong.
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