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05-22-2022, 08:48 AM

#21

sailingfun

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Originally Posted by AirbusPTC

"past practice"...Why does it seem like Past Practice is only used AGAINST the pilot group? Past examples include threatening pilot's jobs when the pilot group individually decides NOT to fly overtime trips. But the company can unilaterally change staffing procedures or trip mix as they see fit. Example, past trip mixes in certain bases were 15% one day trips, 15% 2-day trips, 40% 3-day trips, 20% 4-day and 10% 5-day trips. Current mix now 95% 3, 4, 5 day trips, 5% one and 2-day trips. What is the point of our dues money going to an ALPA RCC committee when the company completely ignores them?

Past practice applies to items not fully defined in the contract. In the case your quoting on overtime the court was satisfied that it was not a individual decision to not fly overtime but a collective decision to use overtime to influence negotiations. Pilots who lacked touching brain cells provided the company all the proof they needed via message boards, internet website and email.

05-22-2022, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tunes

the problem is the one has huge holes in it. Especially with our history with arbitrators. “In the past we were able to cover trips timely, we can’t now so we implemented 23.m.7 to maintain schedule integrity” how do we counter that legally?

In the past we cancelled flights. Now Delta sees cancellations as undoable. This is a change in perceptions and not an interpretation issue. There is precedent.

05-22-2022, 09:18 AM

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In the past we cancelled flights. Now Delta sees cancellations as undoable. This is a change in perceptions and not an interpretation issue. There is precedent.

Are you paying attention to what’s happening? We are canceling 150+ flights a day on the weekends…we cancel all the time

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05-22-2022, 09:27 AM

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Are you paying attention to what’s happening? We are canceling 150+ flights a day on the weekends…we cancel all the time

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Yeah he kind of lost me on that one as well....

05-22-2022, 11:25 AM

#25

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That’s funny, we’re cnx flights? My phone hasn’t rung once all weekend!

Skeds must not be trying very hard. Time for happy hour.

Just sayin.

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05-22-2022, 11:33 AM

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Isn’t RG the man in charge of this section of the company? We really shouldn’t be surprised.

05-22-2022, 11:44 AM

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Isn’t RG the man in charge of this section of the company? We really shouldn’t be surprised.

He does whatever he is told to do. He isnt able or doesnt try to push a common sense agenda. Hes gone up through the ranks because hes a yes man who *wags hands* succeeds- and has an backup plan he can sell and convince senior managers it was their idea.

05-22-2022, 12:34 PM

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Are you paying attention to what’s happening? We are canceling 150+ flights a day on the weekends…we cancel all the time

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If we are canceling flights for pilots great. Well, not great but they are recognizing the staffing issues. M7 on the last week of April is the the point. If they are not doing that again then canceling is the only way to be PWA compliant. I have not been canceled yet, but I did get nada on 4/30 when my GS was in.