Company breaking the contract again
 

The dumpster fire continues with hundreds of cancellations. The company is again completely disregarding the trip coverage sequence to cover trips. Please file an ACE report if you think it affects you.

I wonder if anyone in our management will ever take responsibility for what has happened to our airline. I hope none of them are losing any sleep.

Thanks for updating us on the state of the operation. I look forward to your continuing reports on the developing story. Maybe try to incorporate an ‘ALERT’ or ‘BREAKING NEWS’ banner crawl at the top and bottom of your posts combined with dramatic music.

I wouldn’t worry, they aren’t.

We need an open letter from ALPA saying that "Pilots are loosing sleep because they are afraid Ed has taken his hands off the wheel."

Shhh. Not so loud, Ed is finally getting some sleep and we don’t want to interrupt his WOCL.

Not sure why this post hurt your feelings. It was calm and factual. Pilots who are harmed will lose thousands of dollars if they are unaware. The poster is doing them a great favor.

What’s the justification for high cancelations a day compared to UAL/AAs relative stability? Aren’t we all in the same situation? This is pretty bad. Im not a “let it all burn” kind of guy and I want delta to be successful but it seems pretty bad out there and I hope they can right the ship.

agreed.

filler

Didn’t UA and AA pare down there schedules to actually match for staffing?

Isn’t there a formal grievance process for this type of thing?

Yes, most airlines already have. And UAL has all those 777s still parked. We haven’t pulled down anything. Leading to the current situation.

Fwiw they are not violating the contract by implementing m7. They are violating it by not identifying and paying the proper pilot until alpa submits a dispute

No exactly correct. The intent of M7 is to protect the operation when they have a pop up short term need for a pilot for a specific rotation. It is not intended to be invoked on a blanket basis or to cover trips the next day. The fact the company can’t process open time on a timely basis is also not a reason to use M7. I believe the company acknowledged their use recently was not contractually correct.

Pretty sure the intent of m7 is being violated and being forcefully expanded to a level that never was used before. At least that’s what the memo signed by anyone who ever dealt with this before says. This is a kin to a sick out on the pilots side. Yes, it’s in the PWA but you aren’t allowed to lead, coordinate and execute a harmful new tactic. This ignores the purpose of m7 and is like using emergency authority as a regular operating tool.

actually it’s 100% correct. There is NOTHING in the pwa or negotiators notes preventing them from covering trips this way.

when it was negotiated, the nc chair allowed it for both 23.n and 23.o…..which is all the way to end of next day rotations.


has it been used this way in the past? Not that anyone can find…do I think it’s bs? Absolutely, but nothing in the contract is preventing them from doing it. Unfortunately this is another one of those we didn’t think they would do that type of moments

Past practice has as much weight as NN

the problem is the one has huge holes in it. Especially with our history with arbitrators. “In the past we were able to cover trips timely, we can’t now so we implemented 23.m.7 to maintain schedule integrity” how do we counter that legally?

"past practice"...Why does it seem like Past Practice is only used AGAINST the pilot group? Past examples include threatening pilot's jobs when the pilot group individually decides NOT to fly overtime trips. But the company can unilaterally change staffing procedures or trip mix as they see fit. Example, past trip mixes in certain bases were 15% one day trips, 15% 2-day trips, 40% 3-day trips, 20% 4-day and 10% 5-day trips. Current mix now 95% 3, 4, 5 day trips, 5% one and 2-day trips. What is the point of our dues money going to an ALPA RCC committee when the company completely ignores them?

Read the company letter on the use of M7. It’s a close as you will get to a outright admission they were wrong.

I’ve read it. Forgive me for not believing their empty promises since they have already started doing it again.

Past practice applies to items not fully defined in the contract. In the case your quoting on overtime the court was satisfied that it was not a individual decision to not fly overtime but a collective decision to use overtime to influence negotiations. Pilots who lacked touching brain cells provided the company all the proof they needed via message boards, internet website and email.

In the past we cancelled flights. Now Delta sees cancellations as undoable. This is a change in perceptions and not an interpretation issue. There is precedent.

Are you paying attention to what’s happening? We are canceling 150+ flights a day on the weekends…we cancel all the time


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Yeah he kind of lost me on that one as well....

That’s funny, we’re cnx flights? My phone hasn’t rung once all weekend!

Skeds must not be trying very hard. Time for happy hour.

Just sayin.


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Isn’t RG the man in charge of this section of the company? We really shouldn’t be surprised.

He does whatever he is told to do. He isnt able or doesnt try to push a common sense agenda. Hes gone up through the ranks because hes a yes man who *wags hands* succeeds- and has an backup plan he can sell and convince senior managers it was their idea.

If we are canceling flights for pilots great. Well, not great but they are recognizing the staffing issues. M7 on the last week of April is the the point. If they are not doing that again then canceling is the only way to be PWA compliant. I have not been canceled yet, but I did get nada on 4/30 when my GS was in.

Company breaking the contract again
 

Status quo violation?

No no...status quo violations are only a thing if it's in the companies favor...

I know I was called by ARCOS. 20 trips in batch. I went to look at trips 20 minutes later and I had no call-outs. I was expecting to see trips with the after call-out screen. Went into open time and majority if not all the trips were still uncovered. I've never seen that before and it didn't seem right to me. I filled out report in ACE app. I'll let you know what the union says in 3-4 months.

look in his past. He’s never succeeds.

Endeavor was going to shut down in 2015. He was the only guy that could make delta believe if you paid the pilots more theyd stick around twice in as many months.

Edv wasnt such a nightmare after about a year. When hes left to run stuff he does well, experience being a good teacher after shutting down two airlines. But whenever someone up the ladder disagrees hes not going to fight for what he thinks will work. RG is a survivor above all things.

Surely you're not serious. Pinnacle was never going to shut down. The end game of today was their plan from the moment they sold Mesaba to P-Corp. Gumm had nothing to do with it.

Bull. Stockholm syndrome at it’s best. He was brought in to shut it down, just like he’d done before but the scenario changed. Other regionals couldn’t immediately cover so RA tried another tact. Gumm didn’t save endeavor, just like he didn’t improve Delta.

whats a pinnacle? Ohh that company that failed. That was before 2014 when everyone left and before 2015 when they dumped the money back. I do love it that a company like delta that thinks one quarter ahead had a grand scheme for a wholly owned airline that stretched years.

I completely understand the anger at guum. He spent years making bs up and pretending like positive thinking was going to fix everyone leaving. He never fought for us, he never believed in us or believed we'd shut the place down on him until we nearly did. You think delta would have figured out what to do? They spend about an hour thinking of edv once a month, they never cared very much, thats why guum was there. If he hadnt convinced them money would solve the prblem i dont think edv would exist.

​​​​​​​No with this said, i aint here to white knight guum. You wanna fire him fine. I wont pretend he made this mess. Hes a servant of his masters. Bastion wants it like this, guum obeys. Fire him though, idc.

Someone needs to tell Ed that the current game plan isn’t working. Clearly gumm can’t do that so he should be out. Johnny giggles can’t do it either and isn’t even familiar with what the people he manages do so he should be gone as well. Managers shouldn’t just accept the status quo and say yes, they should use some brain power to keep the operation from digging further in the weeds. If they can’t, then cut them. Gumm didn’t save endeavor and no current manager is saving delta, change needs to happen because cancelling flights last minute when they’ve known dang well for months that we can’t cover it all is an abject failure.