#riddlehottub

Question.

Why did delta opt for the A321neo as opposed to the A321LR or A321XLR? Is there interest in the future to add these to the fleet? Would they be beneficial to delta?

I don’t know if they really see a need for LR/XLR. Our 757 transatlantic flights are down to 0. We were going to do SNN this summer in a 757 which was first since pre-Covid, but it’s already been upgraded to 767. 321neo will easily do KEF, I’m sure. The 767’s will be replaced with 330/350’s and I don’t think they want to deal with the Atlantic on the 321XLR/LR when they could just easily use 330’s and fill them up.

Hawaii stuff would make some sense, but that’s such a small part of our route structure in big picture. Maybe down the road I could see XLR/LR, but also I could never see a need for them and just use 330’s for Atlantic flying. In reality it’s what we’ve been doing for years with 767 over the Atlantic so a 330 swap would be a lot easier for the airline than getting XLR’s into the route structure.

All of this is my assumption and they’ve said in many town halls over the years they do not have any plans for 321’s over the Atlantic (despite what some guys want to believe)

I was wondering the same thing...

321's are not working out well for JetBlue TATL. Best demand and profit margins in history post covid to Europe and they are losing money.

The A330 or 350 can carry a lot of palletized cargo in additon to the pax. While the mantra here is.. "there's no money in cargo" there can be if it's done right. Means we can match the fares and make money, or use our network effect and get some premium and make even more.

We seem to have no problem filling our widebodies across the Atlantic with people and some cargo it seems. I'm going to Europe later this week and the flight I'm on is oversold by 3.. and most of the flights are full - luckily we're on paid tickets. Otherwise, might not be the spring break we were planning.

As much as I want to believe this, the JB guys I speak to say they are making money on them. They say they sell most of the mint product on each flight which puts them in the green.

I'd love to see the evidence, in either direction. I agree, I can't imagine them generating a profit not being able to take much or any cargo on these flights to the most expensive airports in Europe.

Oh, and if we had 3+ more TATL gates in BOS, having a 321LR fleet to go to the more secondary airports in Europe would probably make sense.

Selling out a flight doesn't mean it's making money.

We do not need NB going into Europe. Thats a B757 pilot síndrome, let the WB do the ocean crossing. More high paying jobs, more movement for everyone.

Also we have provisions for pay raises if they use those playing for ocean crossings. I’m sure the company doesn’t have an incentive to get 321XLR.

I don’t know, but I can’t see JetBlue growing as quick as they want. They are retracting from the west coast. The LCC and ULCC for sure are in trouble if they can’t make money this year.