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Old 02-01-2023, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 View Post
You might say. But the A330CEOs do still need to be retired probably by 2030 themselves. And some markets that can be up gauged from the 767-300/400 are probably a good fit for the A339 which is more medium haul than really long haul. In our domestic fleet, the 739 and 321 are very similar in the same way, but the company seems to favor sourcing from both MFRs. I have asked why the same strategy hasn't really been employed for wide bodies and never really got a straight answer.
Don’t disagree with the NBs, but we’re taking volumes of hundreds for 320/737, and dozens for WB. You could totally say a 1-1 replacement of 767s to 787s could be viable and yield a 66 strong fleet (purely adding current 763+764), and probably make it worthwhile, but it’s still a totally other category to add that probably 97.5634343434% (repeating or course) is covered by 330neo. Now, from a self preservation standpoint, could having 787s with GEs be a smart move? Sure. I don’t think Rolls is going away. They’re too vital to UK industry, and last time this happened they secured a bailout for the RB.211, but dragged the L-1011 down on the way.

Anyways now we’ve moved from 350-1000 to 767 replacement. On the top end, the 787-10 doesn’t really do what the 350-1000 is built to do, heavy hauling a long ways. 787-10 you can load up for sure, but you aren’t trucking it viably 12+ hours. I’ve seen speculation on other fan sites (grain of salt needed massively) that increased D1 could happen, so 330s go from 280->260 and 359 go 300->280. Puts a spot for a 300+ seater 350-1000 right in the current top spot.

No US carrier dual fleets their WBs. AA ditched 330 during COVID and 350s right before. I don’t think United ever takes their 350s either.
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Old 02-01-2023, 04:34 PM
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Don’t disagree with the NBs, but we’re taking volumes of hundreds for 320/737, and dozens for WB. You could totally say a 1-1 replacement of 767s to 787s could be viable and yield a 66 strong fleet (purely adding current 763+764), and probably make it worthwhile, but it’s still a totally other category to add that probably 97.5634343434% (repeating or course) is covered by 330neo. Now, from a self preservation standpoint, could having 787s with GEs be a smart move? Sure. I don’t think Rolls is going away. They’re too vital to UK industry, and last time this happened they secured a bailout for the RB.211, but dragged the L-1011 down on the way.

Anyways now we’ve moved from 350-1000 to 767 replacement. On the top end, the 787-10 doesn’t really do what the 350-1000 is built to do, heavy hauling a long ways. 787-10 you can load up for sure, but you aren’t trucking it viably 12+ hours. I’ve seen speculation on other fan sites (grain of salt needed massively) that increased D1 could happen, so 330s go from 280->260 and 359 go 300->280. Puts a spot for a 300+ seater 350-1000 right in the current top spot.

No US carrier dual fleets their WBs. AA ditched 330 during COVID and 350s right before. I don’t think United ever takes their 350s either.
Good points, although some foreign carriers apparently see some benefit to flying both types; BA and AF to name a couple. As for the de-densified 330s and 350s, I believe that is a thing and will be announced soon.
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Good points, although some foreign carriers apparently see some benefit to flying both types; BA and AF to name a couple. As for the de-densified 330s and 350s, I believe that is a thing and will be announced soon.
Add LH to the mix as well that operates both.

I also agree, the nod goes to the -1000. Regardless, any WB growth is extremely positive.
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Add LH to the mix as well that operates both.

I also agree, the nod goes to the -1000. Regardless, any WB growth is extremely positive.

Cathay and Emirates as well.
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Old 02-02-2023, 05:06 AM
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One thing for many of the foreign carriers, many can dual qual 777-787 and 330-350 which does help for simplicities sake.

Essentially makes it “Airbus” and “Boeing” WB categories.
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Originally Posted by Scooter432 View Post
Add LH to the mix as well that operates both.

I also agree, the nod goes to the -1000. Regardless, any WB growth is extremely positive.
Agreed. I’ll take anything ultimately, more jets=more high paying jobs.

Upside of the TA is any WB order pays the same, no “loss” by ordering 330s.
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Old 02-02-2023, 05:37 AM
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And at what % more fuel burn. Because that’s what it’s all about, and they are willing to sacrifice seats for fuel efficiency. See example: NEOs making fuel stops SEA to Hawaii
FWIW I spoke with a dispatcher about the 321NEO and fuel stops. He said they added fuel over and above normal etops fuel requirements by about 10-15% as an abundance of caution until they had good baseline burn data. Hence the fuel stop/empty seat issue.
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Old 02-02-2023, 06:31 AM
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Agreed. I’ll take anything ultimately, more jets=more high paying jobs.

Upside of the TA is any WB order pays the same, no “loss” by ordering 330s.
Inb4 Delta secretly got boeing to agree to build more 767 passenger planes.
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Old 02-02-2023, 07:57 AM
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Inb4 Delta secretly got boeing to agree to build more 767 passenger planes.
I mean technically the -300ER can still be ordered as it's the same line as the -300F. There's a lot of small changes that need to be incorporated into the drawings for the passenger model. They haven't been kept updated and there's just a bunch of changes on "drawing change notice" if one ever gets ordered. I'm sure the engineers would be thrilled but Boeing will happily build you one for the right price. The question then becomes delivery dates since the single production line in Everett is swamped by Freighter and Tanker orders.

Source: used to work there

It's fun to speculate however unlikely. That would be a cool sight. Brand new ERs with the large display avionics like FedEx and UPS have on their -300F
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Old 02-02-2023, 08:07 AM
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I think you confused the x with an old 777. The 777x is more efficient than the A350-1000.
Way to big of a plane for little Delta Airlines
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