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Originally Posted by HelloNewnan (Post 3744463)

Just FYI, an SLI job at DAL is a competitive position. Since the contract has been settled, all the vacancies have dried up. Currently there are no fleets accepting applications, and the last mention of an opening was back in October.

Even when there are vacancies, you don't just fill out the form and get the job. BTW, CA SLI positions are like hens teeth, that is its very rare that there are openings without a ton of people applying.

Not just DAL. At UAL they're last opening had like 750 applicants for a few dozen positions.

It’s hit or miss like anything. Sometimes they need to hire a lot and it’s very easy to get the job. Other times the job can be extremely competitive. Check airman is the same way. Almost impossible to get the job my first 12 years here, then I watched a half dozen of my buddies all get it within a year of each other.

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Originally Posted by cskafan123 (Post 3744434)

Can a FO who works as SLI bid CA while working as SLI? If so is that an internal process or has to be whithin AE? Finally, how is OE scheduled? Once upgraded what will be the the pay CA or FO? Thanks

(1) SLIs are supposed to clear all of their AE preferences while working in the department. When they leave the department to permanently return to the line, they basically can got to any category they can hold which negates the need to bid for for an AE.

(2) An FO SLI who can hold Captain on the equipment he teaches on may be permitted by his Chief Training Captain to do the short upgrade (and subsequent OE/TOE) and then fly as a Captain on that equipment and get paid as a Captain during his fly month(s). OE is scheduled like any other pilot upgrading to Captain. As for pay, an FO SLI will still be paid FO pay at the highest FO rate he can hold (likely 765B/330B/350B based on new hires having been awarded those categories in the past year or so) during his months in the training department and, as referenced above, he would be paid Captain pay while flying the line as a Captain.

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Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3744529)

Thats the big takeaway. You’re hired as a FO SLI or a CA SLI. Just because you’re a FO SLI who upgrades, doesn’t mean you’re a CA SLI.

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Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis (Post 3744535)

Thats the big takeaway. You’re hired as a FO SLI or a CA SLI. Just because you’re a FO SLI who upgrades, doesn’t mean you’re a CA SLI.

Exactly. There has to be a Capt SLI slot available in the fleet and, due to PWA language, you have to have at least 500 hours as a PIC of a Delta plane before they will hire you into a Capt SLI slot. As a result, you see FO SLIs leave the department to upgrade and get their 500 hours of Delta PIC and then come back as a Capt SLI if/when there are Capt SLI slots to fill.

It gets more interesting if you get hired as a Captain SLI (PWA requires 40% of all SLIs to be Captain SLIs) but you can't hold Captain on the airplane - more likely for a WB SLI who, perhaps, flew as a NB captain and had the requisite Delta PIC time and maybe flew as an FO on the WB fleet previously. (e.g., 330B who goes to 320A and then gets hired as a 330 Capt SLI but can't hold 330 Captain on the line). Then you get paid at the highest Capt category you can hold (7ERA?) but fly the line during your fly month(s) as an FO at your seniority while getting paid 7ERA pay. Those pilots have a pretty sweet deal until someone junior to them converts as a Captain on the fleet (at any base). Then they are required to upgrade to Captain on their fleet. That is why you will sometimes see a Captain in a category who is noticeably more junior than the next most junior Captain (also applies to project pilots).