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Scooter432 11-03-2022 05:55 PM

Regardless , why not make protections in contracts now.

HvyDrivr 11-03-2022 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 3526087)
Regardless , why not make protections in contracts now.

^^^^^ This ^^^^^^
Now is the time to get this in contracts—not when it is a realistic proposition. No negotiation capital spent to get verbiage now vs every bit we’ve got when this is on the company’s radar.

The new guy 11-03-2022 07:07 PM

All current aircraft manufacturers are so good at fu$$$$g up airplane design that full autonomy is a long way off. It is a threat to our careers but Boeing and their anemic R&D and complete commitment to Wall Street is the last player in the game to worry about. After all southwest will always need someone to do a recall check.

FlexManFlex 11-03-2022 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Browntown (Post 3526009)
This should give pause to any new flight students....you may not have a 30 much less, 20 year career.

Boeing’s next airliner may be designed to fly autonomously, Calhoun said, though it may not operate without pilots from the start. He said that Wisk, a California-based company in which Boeing owns a controlling stake that’s developing a four-seat autonomous electric vertical takeoff and landing aircraft intended to serve as an air taxi, is one of the company’s key avenues for developing autonomous flight technology.

Full article
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyb...h=1768c91b279d

Haha. This must be a joke! Maybe in 500 years from now :)

runinonfumes 11-03-2022 07:36 PM

HA! Boeing can’t even keep a software company from crashing…..

Jeppesen experiencing technology outages….


and they have the balls to say their next big thing will be autonomous aircraft!!! Are they that F%$&)ing stupid!?! My god the only reason 2 of the antiquated POS smoked it in was because someONE or two most likely …numerous times…intervened before Boeings best engineered efforts killed any more people.

majorpilot 11-03-2022 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3526034)
Replacing the nearly-absolute redundancy brought by a modern autopilot and two competent human pilots will be significantly more difficult than developing self driving cars. Self driving car development/acceptance appears to be progressing slowly.


Ford and VW just shut down an effort they thought would bring Level 4 autonomy to market because it’s in fact too far off. There’s already been over $100 billion spent on it and it’s still not close. And that’s just the technical challenges; before we get to the security ones. What good is TSA when a maldoer can just hack into an overhead 787?

I’ll worry about autonomous jets once they’ve perfected unhackable computers — which won’t be in my unborn grandchildrens’ lifetimes.

Gundam 11-04-2022 01:26 AM


Originally Posted by Browntown (Post 3526009)
This should give pause to any new flight students....you may not have a 30 much less, 20 year career.

Boeing’s next airliner may be designed to fly autonomously, Calhoun said, though it may not operate without pilots from the start. He said that Wisk, a California-based company in which Boeing owns a controlling stake that’s developing a four-seat autonomous electric vertical takeoff and landing aircraft intended to serve as an air taxi, is one of the company’s key avenues for developing autonomous flight technology.

Full article
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyb...h=1768c91b279d

It will also be fully green and super sonic, hyper sonic, faster than light. Boeing can't even make regular planes well. I do think the future is single pilot/pilotless but that is very far away since autonomous driving and AI has hit some kind of limit in how well and consistently it can operate. Maybe in 50 years we will see this become a replacement to commercial pilots, and even then it probably won't be from Boeing. It seems like such an easy grift to mock up some CGI and slap together a model and make huge promises then just rake in cash from investors. Why actually invent or engineer something when you can just say you will and collect the money faster for less work. You can even pay people in experience and exposure. We should just say we will 100% all our metrics, and every flight is direct to your personal destination for everyone on the plane. Burbank? Honolulu? Sioux Falls? Amsterdam? Yea we'll be there in 30 minutes.

jaxsurf 11-04-2022 01:56 AM

The fact that Boeing of all companies has the gall to think they have the ability to build an autonomous airliner makes me wonder if this truly is the worst of all possible realities. Talk about a dystopian hellscape.

iaflyer 11-04-2022 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 3526087)
Regardless , why not make protections in contracts now.

It already is:

PWA 1.C.9: No aircraft performing Company flying will operate with fewer than two pilots.

TegridyFarms 11-04-2022 05:32 AM

Yes. Boeing. Please make a pilotless aircraft. You can’t even perfect the plane you’ve been making for 3 decades. Those are still falling out of the sky, but yes… make one with zero supervision.


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