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Old 11-17-2022, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
18/5/5/5 will pass with increased vacation, full retro, a few other nuggets here and there and no concessions IMO
I wouldnt be so sure of that.
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Old 11-17-2022, 09:07 AM
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Our union asked us not to partake in trial balloons and hamstring the NC, yet here we are.
glad Iím not the only one saying this. We need this thread closed.
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Old 11-17-2022, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
Our union asked us not to partake in trial balloons and hamstring the NC, yet here we are.
I say this in every thread that this comes up.

Yet trip7 and the usual suspects keep throwing candy out of their windowless van, and a handful of kids jump in.

Close the thread and delete the responses to this stuff.

Trip7. Do better. You canít say ďa contract will passĒ based off pay rates and a couple improvements. Itís a comprehensive rewrite. The whole thing needs to be evaluated and assessed. Quit posting dumb sh**.
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Old 11-17-2022, 09:17 AM
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Here's a fun math exercise for everyone.

Current 73N A is ~ $285

Assume a 39 year old Pilot with 26 years to go.

5% compounded year over year will have you retire at $1,013 / hr
4% compounded year over year will have you retire at $790 / hr
3% compounded year over year will have you retire at $614 / hr

Every percentage gain we can get now will pay enormously in your future years.

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Old 11-17-2022, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PapaMike View Post
Here's a fun math exercise for everyone.

Current 73N A is ~ $285

Assume a 39 year old Pilot with 26 years to go.

5% compounded year over year will have you retire at $1,013 / hr
4% compounded year over year will have you retire at $790 / hr
3% compounded year over year will have you retire at $614 / hr

Every percentage gain we can get now will pay enormously in your future years.

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Try that same exercise with 2004 rates and inflation. 737 in January 2004 was $256.53. https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
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Old 11-17-2022, 09:29 AM
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Try that same exercise with 2004 rates and inflation. 737 in January 2004 was $256.53. https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
Way to miss the point.

The specific numbers themselves aren't important and don't tell of the bigger picture of the economic landscape during that 26 years.

The point is just to show how much a simple percentage point can factor over the course of a contract and more importantly, the course of one's career.
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Old 11-17-2022, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
Our union asked us not to partake in trial balloons and hamstring the NC, yet here we are.
Harrrumph.


Originally Posted by tunes View Post
I wouldnt be so sure of that.
​​​​​​​Harrrumph.
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Old 11-17-2022, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms View Post
I say this in every thread that this comes up.



Yet trip7 and the usual suspects keep throwing candy out of their windowless van, and a handful of kids jump in.



Close the thread and delete the responses to this stuff.



Trip7. Do better. You canít say ďa contract will passĒ based off pay rates and a couple improvements. Itís a comprehensive rewrite. The whole thing needs to be evaluated and assessed. Quit posting dumb sh**.
The contract does not need a comprehensive rewrite. Most of the sections are already done. Vacation has increased. Basically down to pay and QOL. I hope the focus is on eliminating the impact of inflation and the rest on QOL

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Old 11-17-2022, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PapaMike View Post
Way to miss the point.

The specific numbers themselves aren't important and don't tell of the bigger picture of the economic landscape during that 26 years.

The point is just to show how much a simple percentage point can factor over the course of a contract and more importantly, the course of one's career.
...or how much more of that compounding we need because of how far behind we really are. I agree with you, I just moved the start point back a few years to show the bigger picture of how our past 3%s and 4%s are totally inadequate.
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Old 11-17-2022, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
The contract does not need a comprehensive rewrite. Most of the sections are already done. Vacation has increased. Basically down to pay and QOL. I hope the focus is on eliminating the impact of inflation plus a real raise and the rest on QOL without concessions.

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