Reroute review
 

Got Rerouted into a day off during the snow storm in msp on January 3rd. Our flight attendants timed out in Vegas. Airport was back open at this point. No one in tracking/ scheduling/ duity pilot answering phones. We booked our own rooms and transportation. Flight went out the next day as same flight, just delayed 16 hours. No Reroute shown on schedule or pay on time card. I called and asked scheduling after rotation was closed about reroute pay. They said there is someone that reviews all that now. Takes a few weeks. Last week I was rerouted and it showed on my time card immediately. Is this a new thing that stated in January, or did scheduling just not want to deal with me.

I'm no expert on RR, but it probably matters if you're RESERVE v. LINEHOLDER, and if you're reserve, if you were rerouted into a "golden day" (which would be extraordinary)

Had similar. I was on reserve but some of the reroute rules still apply. I submitted an ACE report. Suggest you do the same.

ACE report it as soon as possible.

RES RR
 

In order for RES to get RR pay, you have to get back > 4 hrs later than planned AND an off day needs to be violated. If you don't have both criteria, then no RR pay.

If you see "RR" on your schedule (REG or RES), it's just a pay code that means someone needs to review the rotation to see if RR pay is due.

We are both line holders flown into our days off. No RR shown on schedule. Pairing shows closed. I will file an ace report, but waiting 3 month for it to get looked at is ridiculous.

If you operate your original flight and it’s just late (even a day late) it’s not a reroute. You just get an extra day pay. The trip gets rebuilt. See the following from section 23.A.45 as to what a reroute actually is:

Note: An alteration in the departure, enroute, or arrival time of a scheduled flight
segment does not constitute a reroute.

Page 23-5. From PWA

Thanks for the response. We were also rerouted on day 2 of 4. Different flights, different overnight. We pick up the remainder of our trip on day 3. Arrived home a day late. I see how the last day doesn’t check to reroute box, but day 2 was a reroute day.

if the flight was never canceled (and you weren’t re-assigned), but merely 16 hours delayed.. you likely aren’t going to get re-Route pay.. no matter if it was 4 hours or 14 after original sign out. It’s a loophole. Ask me how I know..

you will, however, get whatever additional pay is contractual for TAFB or ADG rigs because of the delayed return to base.

as for the 3 month delay in getting a response.. at the next Velvet, ask Laughter to stop violating our contract and the wait time won’t be nearly that long. Most of the volume is created by their inability to honor the agreement they signed in 2016.

I disagree that it's a "loophole". You are still flying your original flight, it's just late. A reroute is where you are flying a flight that was never on your original paring.

100% accurate. They have never put in place the resources necessary (technology or personnel) so that the proper pay treatment for reroutes could be handled appropriately in a timely manner.

Just to complicate this issue a bit more I once had a flight get delayed on day 4 due to a dead battery. Was due to depart about noon. Instead we took the out the same flight number the next day. The original flight never operated. So instead of flight XXXX on the XXth we flew flight XXXX on the XXth +1. Different flight.
We got an extra days pay AND RR pay.,

And you should have. When they choose to cancel your original instead of just delay it, you get paid. I wish even the delays got paid, but we don't have delay pay. On the bad ones where it's delayed into the next day, it's always weird seeing the paperwork reflecting your flight number and the previous day's date.

There's rarely any extra pay for reroutes within the footprint of the trip in this contract. Supposedly it's in the AIP though.

I had an ALPA scheduling guy tell me that RES can get reroute pay even if they don’t get in 4+ hours late. I think the reference is 23.M.4.

It does happen though. About 9 hours of 4F1R just hit my time card for the last trip I flew. I would say I get paid for 23 L.4.NOTE reroute pay within the footprint of trips about 3 or 4 times per year.

There are several ways Reserve can get RR pay other than 4+ hours late/X-day interruption.

One is 23.L.4.Note (uncovered legs over 14 hours must go to Open Time).

Another is 23.L.11.c for an illegal turn time. It has to be a legal turn time at the time of reroute. Each station has a proprietary number, but a 10 minute turn ain’t legal anywhere.

There is a :22 turn published in a bid package for a trip next month. It's a fly in and switch planes to a DH too. No human with any operational knowledge could look at that and think it's a good plan.

I saw a number of questionable things in the Feb bid packet. Some teeth for the RCC can't come fast enough.

SEA 73N 4057/4058 look like fun.

Saw a number of them like that in the 320 bid pack as well. Pretty much every redeye I saw is preceded by a 12-14 hour dayover. Some even had a double swap where you start early on day 1. Long duty day on day 2 to finish late-ish (after dinner time) for a short layover then early report on day 3 for one leg to a layover done at 8am so you can report at 10pm to fly a redeye. Very unsat.
DTW 320 6354 and L668 are good examples. If the suck. Lots of <12 hr layovers to boot.

Those trips won’t have a high fatigue call rate, now way! 😳

I banged out on fatigue just now after reading it.