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Bucking Bar 05-10-2023 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3634672)
Which is not difficult if you're above 80% seniority, which isn't difficult to obtain in NYC. The Optimize your Schedule document basically gives everyone the blueprint on how to clear your schedule



This is where "different strokes for different folks", "one man's trash is another's man's treasure" comes into play. Even if I couldn't drop all my trips I'd gladly commute for 24 hrs in AUA vs drive to work for 12 hrs in GPT/JAN etc plus the 4 leg day galore that's ATL flying.

With that said I'll GLADLY fly one leg to GPT layover and fly/DH back

How often do you resort to calling in sick to clear your schedule?

The OOBWS step breaks ARCOS, when an already large category expands to the entire system.

I have been told ALPA is negotiating concessions to try and fix the IA problem. Complete elimination of batch size is what I am hearing out of seniority opportunism will cost our pilot group.

iaflyer 05-10-2023 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3634927)
How often do you resort to calling in sick to clear your schedule.

Who says he's calling in sick? He might be bidding some sweet trips with nice layovers, put them on the swap board and "poof" they are gone. I'm always surprised with the action I'm able to drop and pick up from the P2P swap board. Don't hate a guy for working the contract smarter, not harder.

Bucking Bar 05-10-2023 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 3634932)
Who says he's calling in sick? He might be bidding some sweet trips with nice layovers, put them on the swap board and "poof" they are gone. I'm always surprised with the action I'm able to drop and pick up from the P2P swap board. Don't hate a guy for working the contract smarter, not harder.

I did not say that HE is calling in sick and using fly back. However, anyone who does a random check of the OOBWS ninjas can observe the pattern.

Is costing other Pilots tens of thousands annually by bidding flying with no intention of flying those trips smart, or duplicitous?

Everyone waiting in line thinks **cutting in line is bull****.**

Trip7 05-10-2023 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3634927)
How often do you resort to calling in sick to clear your schedule?

The OOBWS step breaks ARCOS, when an already large category expands to the entire system.

I have been told ALPA is negotiating concessions to try and fix the IA problem. Complete elimination of batch size is what I am hearing out of seniority opportunism will cost our pilot group.

Zero. I clear my schedule every month using a variety of techniques that are shown in the Optimize your Schedule document from the Union.

OOBWS does not break ARCOS. It's simply the coverage step prior to in base GS. Also to address the OOBWS angst, it shouldn't be much of an issue to a strategic Greenslipper. Majority of OOBWS folks snap up silly easy broken up trips that most pilots WS, saving GS for longer, higher paying 3 and 4 day trips.

Trip7 05-10-2023 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3634937)
I did not say that HE is calling in sick and using fly back. However, anyone who does a random check of the OOBWS ninjas can observe the pattern.

Is costing other Pilots tens of thousands annually by bidding flying with no intention of flying those trips smart, or duplicitous?

Everyone waiting in line thinks **cutting in line is bull****.**

There is no cutting in line. Those OOBWS trips are available to inbase pilots as a WS first. Then out of base. If it's still not covered then it goes GS.

Bucking Bar 05-10-2023 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3634946)
Zero. I clear my schedule every month using a variety of techniques that are shown in the Optimize your Schedule document from the Union.

OOBWS does not break ARCOS. It's simply the coverage step prior to in base GS. Also to address the OOBWS angst, it shouldn't be much of an issue to a strategic Greenslipper. Majority of OOBWS folks snap up silly easy broken up trips that most pilots WS, saving GS for longer, higher paying 3 and 4 day trips.

Good. Surely you are aware that others do not follow your approach.

Let’s talk about the problem. We have 643 320B’s in ATL. If half that number had slips in each step of coverage would run 4 hours during the day and 21 hours at night. Guessing that many slips are not in, but CS tells me it is running four hours to get through WS and OOBWS. So, they randomly (every CS does it differently) go to IA, which means OOBWS are also not getting the love. Every CS who has talked to me and a manager complain about the OOBWS wildcard. You have probably noticed that is where CS goes to IA. In this case causation and correlation are the same.

Smaller categories probably aren’t seeing this. ATL 320, 737, 7ER are frustrated. Trip assignment is seemingly random and unfair (if we consider seniority “fair”)

crewdawg 05-10-2023 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3634967)
Good. Surely you are aware that others do not follow your approach.

Let’s talk about the problem. We have 643 320B’s in ATL. If half that number had slips in each step of coverage would run 4 hours during the day and 21 hours at night. Guessing that many slips are not in, but CS tells me it is running four hours to get through WS and OOBWS. So, they randomly (every CS does it differently) go to IA, which means OOBWS are also not getting the love. Every CS who has talked to me and a manager complain about the OOBWS wildcard. You have probably noticed that is where CS goes to IA. In this case causation and correlation are the same.

Smaller categories probably aren’t seeing this. ATL 320, 737, 7ER are frustrated. Trip assignment is seemingly random and unfair (if we consider seniority “fair”)


A good case for why batch sizes should be a percentage based on the number of pilots in the category. I'd rather see that vs a blanket change for everyone. Or they could staff the airline for the schedule they want to fly...

Iceberg 05-10-2023 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3634990)
A good case for why batch sizes should be a percentage based on the number of pilots in the category. I'd rather see that vs a blanket change for everyone. Or they could staff the airline for the schedule they want to fly...

Blasphemy! Reserves who don’t fly 1 minute short of guarantee are major money drain on the company!

notEnuf 05-17-2023 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3634967)
Good. Surely you are aware that others do not follow your approach.

Let’s talk about the problem. We have 643 320B’s in ATL. If half that number had slips in each step of coverage would run 4 hours during the day and 21 hours at night. Guessing that many slips are not in, but CS tells me it is running four hours to get through WS and OOBWS. So, they randomly (every CS does it differently) go to IA, which means OOBWS are also not getting the love. Every CS who has talked to me and a manager complain about the OOBWS wildcard. You have probably noticed that is where CS goes to IA. In this case causation and correlation are the same.

Smaller categories probably aren’t seeing this. ATL 320, 737, 7ER are frustrated. Trip assignment is seemingly random and unfair (if we consider seniority “fair”)

It didn't used to be a problem. The change was making everything a proffer. Good luck changing that. This is a staffing issue pure and simple. Delta is the problem not OOBWSs.

Xray678 05-17-2023 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3634947)
There is no cutting in line. Those OOBWS trips are available to inbase pilots as a WS first. Then out of base. If it's still not covered then it goes GS.

in base greenslips should go before out of base white slips.


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