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pileit 05-22-2023 09:42 AM

IVD input
 
Having trouble making input to use an IVD to drop a trip. Keep saying “different number of days in date ranges”. Any help appreciated. Thanks

TNDeltaFlyboy 05-22-2023 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by pileit (Post 3640064)
Having trouble making input to use an IVD to drop a trip. Keep saying “different number of days in date ranges”. Any help appreciated. Thanks

without seeing a screenshot, just make sure the number of IVDs you are trying to use match the number of days you're inputing to drop in the template.

pileit 05-22-2023 10:25 AM

Thanks, I am just trying to use one IVD to drop a 4 day. I thought I could take the first or last day of the vacation and use one of those days to put in to drop the trip? My vacation ranges October 22 to October 28 but oddly there are two sets of ranges at the left side that dont think I understand. And then the range for the IVD and I put the same day 1 July to 01 July obviously that’s not correct. Do I put the rotation date range on the right side?

TNDeltaFlyboy 05-22-2023 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by pileit (Post 3640076)
Thanks, I am just trying to use one IVD to drop a 4 day. I thought I could take the first or last day of the vacation and use one of those days to put in to drop the trip? My vacation ranges October 22 to October 28 but oddly there are two sets of ranges at the left side that dont think I understand. And then the range for the IVD and I put the same day 1 July to 01 July obviously that’s not correct. Do I put the rotation date range on the right side?

if you are only using one IVD, then you can only put that on one of the days of the trip you drop. The IVD can go on any day of the trip. So, trying to move 22Oct to 01jul would be 22Oct-22Oct and 01Jul-01Jul in the template.

pileit 05-22-2023 12:44 PM

Thanks I’ll try that

PSpuza 05-22-2023 06:08 PM

A few more points on IVD’s…

I’m pretty sure it needs to be from your secondary (or later) vacation.

Your category has to have 15% (or 20%?) of required reserve staffing on every day the trip touches, not just for the single IVD day.

Whatever day you put your IVD on you can’t pick up anything over that day.

You can’t drop a trip if your trip touches the day prior, day of, or day after a holiday!

Good Luck, May the odds be in your favor.

FangsF15 05-22-2023 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by PSpuza (Post 3640228)
A few more points on IVD’s…

I’m pretty sure it needs to be from your secondary (or later) vacation.

Your category has to have 15% (or 20%?) of required reserve staffing on every day the trip touches, not just for the single IVD day.

Whatever day you put your IVD on you can’t pick up anything over that day.

You can’t drop a trip if your trip touches the day prior, day of, or day after a holiday!

Good Luck, May the odds be in your favor.

25%

It’s not that you cannot get an IVD/APD approved on a holiday. You can, and it happens periodically. The controlling issue is that the company MAY deny it, not that they will.

ancman 05-22-2023 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by PSpuza (Post 3640228)
A few more points on IVD’s…

I’m pretty sure it needs to be from your secondary (or later) vacation.

It can be from your primary vacation as well. The only restriction is that the vacation week must be in a future bid period in the current vacation year, before that bid period’s results have been posted in DBMS.

Jughead135 05-22-2023 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3640240)
25%


At first read, I thought you were grading his list (he got 1 of 4 correct, so…). :D

PSpuza 05-23-2023 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 3640267)
At first read, I thought you were grading his list (he got 1 of 4 correct, so…). :D

I suck. Glad we aren’t single pilot.

TNDeltaFlyboy 05-23-2023 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by PSpuza (Post 3640228)
A few more points on IVD’s…
You can’t drop a trip if your trip touches the day prior, day of, or day after a holiday!

This is a common misconception. The PWA says it MAY be denied if it touches the period around the stated holidays not that it WILL be automatically denied. I've had one approved for a Christmas trip. Granted, these days we can assume it will always be denied; however, we shouldn't spread rumors that APDs/IVDs will always be denied around holidays because it's just not true.

And it's 2 days before to 1 day after the listed holidays.

tennisguru 05-23-2023 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy (Post 3640539)
This is a common misconception. The PWA says it MAY be denied if it touches the period around the stated holidays not that it WILL be automatically denied. I've had one approved for a Christmas trip. Granted, these days we can assume it will always be denied; however, we shouldn't spread rumors that APDs/IVDs will always be denied around holidays because it's just not true.

Pro tip: APDs and IVDs process ahead of straight drops during the PCS process, and are guaranteed to go through if you have positive coverage even during a holiday blackout. This can be a smart way for a junior person to snipe the holiday off using an APD/IVD ahead of senior pilots using a PD.

TNDeltaFlyboy 05-23-2023 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3640547)
Pro tip: APDs and IVDs process ahead of straight drops during the PCS process, and are guaranteed to go through if you have positive coverage even during a holiday blackout. This can be a smart way for a junior person to snipe the holiday off using an APD/IVD ahead of senior pilots using a PD.

Bingo. That plus junior reserve folks YS'ing on days off early in the month to get full before the holidays.

Snookered 05-24-2023 03:51 AM

I recently noticed at the bottom of my Feb time card IVDs AVAILABLE and
OCCASIONS AVAILABLE counters. I appreciate having these as it has been a pain in the past to try and remember how many I have used and if I have any available.

Concerning though, in Feb it showed 5 IVDs AVAILABLE and 3 OCCASIONS AVAILABLE. On subsequent time cards the counters showed 4 and 2 respectively and I haven’t used an IVD yet. Did anyone else out there have the same thing happen?

FangsF15 05-24-2023 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Snookered (Post 3640810)
I recently noticed at the bottom of my Feb time card IVDs AVAILABLE and
OCCASIONS AVAILABLE counters. I appreciate having these as it has been a pain in the past to try and remember how many I have used and if I have any available.

Concerning though, in Feb it showed 5 IVDs AVAILABLE and 3 OCCASIONS AVAILABLE. On subsequent time cards the counters showed 4 and 2 respectively and I haven’t used an IVD yet. Did anyone else out there have the same thing happen?

I had the same thing. Was hoping the time time card (when that kicks in) would reflect properly, but alas…

TNDeltaFlyboy 05-24-2023 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Snookered (Post 3640810)
I recently noticed at the bottom of my Feb time card IVDs AVAILABLE and
OCCASIONS AVAILABLE counters. I appreciate having these as it has been a pain in the past to try and remember how many I have used and if I have any available.

Concerning though, in Feb it showed 5 IVDs AVAILABLE and 3 OCCASIONS AVAILABLE. On subsequent time cards the counters showed 4 and 2 respectively and I haven’t used an IVD yet. Did anyone else out there have the same thing happen?

I didn't notice that but the 6 IVDs/3 Occasions don't get implemented until 7/2/23.

tennisguru 05-24-2023 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Snookered (Post 3640810)
I recently noticed at the bottom of my Feb time card IVDs AVAILABLE and
OCCASIONS AVAILABLE counters. I appreciate having these as it has been a pain in the past to try and remember how many I have used and if I have any available.

Concerning though, in Feb it showed 5 IVDs AVAILABLE and 3 OCCASIONS AVAILABLE. On subsequent time cards the counters showed 4 and 2 respectively and I haven’t used an IVD yet. Did anyone else out there have the same thing happen?

I think all that actually happened in March, not February. There was a bit of a glitch in March after the TA passed where it showed everyone with the extra occurrence. However, it all reset properly on April 1 with the start of the new vacation year. In fact even in March if you went to view April's time card April showed correctly. Double in fact, I just went and looked at my March time card and it still shows the 3/6 IVD info. So something was wonky with it but everything that is current shows correctly.

UGBSM 05-25-2023 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy (Post 3641053)
I didn't notice that but the 6 IVDs/3 Occasions don't get implemented until 7/2/23.

I wish. Still only 2 occasions of IVD use starting in July (From the C2019 TA Reference Guide):

PWA Section 7 I. 1. – Improved Individual Vacation Days (IVD)

- Pilots with 3 weeks or more of vacation may use up to 6 IVDs with 2 occasions of use. This is in addition to any IVDs/occasions from Section 14 K.
- Currently pilots are limited to 4 IVDs with 2 occasions to use.

TNDeltaFlyboy 05-25-2023 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 3641521)
I wish. Still only 2 occasions of IVD use starting in July (From the C2019 TA Reference Guide):

PWA Section 7 I. 1. – Improved Individual Vacation Days (IVD)

- Pilots with 3 weeks or more of vacation may use up to 6 IVDs with 2 occasions of use. This is in addition to any IVDs/occasions from Section 14 K.
- Currently pilots are limited to 4 IVDs with 2 occasions to use.

Dang, good job catching me in a little wishful thinking.


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