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FangsF15 08-22-2023 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3686490)
Do you mean we didn’t get the dual cooling on the NEOs or the leap engines in the max don’t have it?

Our 321 NEO's have dual cooling. The NEO engines add at most about 2.5-3 minutes to get started in total, at least in my experience.

No idea on the -Max

Gone Flying 08-22-2023 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3686541)
Our 321 NEO's have dual cooling. The NEO engines add at most about 2.5-3 minutes to get started in total, at least in my experience.

No idea on the -Max

man, I thought the ER engines (P&W) took awhile to start.

thanks for the info fangs.

OOfff 08-22-2023 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3686490)
Do you mean we didn’t get the dual cooling on the NEOs or the leap engines in the max don’t have it?

the maxxibois don’t have it. Our NEOs do


and if start times are a problem, better boot the 717 out

freezingflyboy 08-22-2023 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3686556)
man, I thought the ER engines (P&W) took awhile to start.

thanks for the info fangs.

NEO start (if cooling required) is only marginally longer than a 757 start. ATL can make it work.

PilotBases 08-22-2023 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3686595)
NEO start (if cooling required) is only marginally longer than a 757 start. ATL can make it work.

Yeah I think it’s less of an issue than people make it out to be. Not to mention ATL movements are down compared to peak RJ days I believe. Easy enough to play the left side right side shuffle all the way home.

FangsF15 08-22-2023 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3686611)
Yeah I think it’s less of an issue than people make it out to be. Not to mention ATL movements are down compared to peak RJ days I believe. Easy enough to play the left side right side shuffle all the way home.

Agreed. They could manage with all the disruption due to ramp concrete replacements in the middle of summer. They can manage an extra couple minutes of start time when it happens. Not saying there won’t be disruptions occasionally in various places (BOS, looking at you), or gate holdouts.

DisMyGamerTag 08-22-2023 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3686444)
Don't the 321 NEOs also have long engine start times?

Personally I’ve never really had trouble with the Neo start time algorithm because it takes an hour to turn any 321 no matter what.

Avgeek7248 08-29-2023 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3686476)
yep. And our coming 737max orders will, too. Even longer without dual cooling. Better keep them out of ATL

The start times can be pretty lengthy upwards of 2-4 minutes a motor depending on how long it sat and how warm it is internally. Luckily with the MAX 9’s at least you have plenty of thrust so we’ll usually SET out of the alley so we’re not sitting there blocking all the NG’s in and then spin 1 once we start our taxi out. It’s not horrible until you’re stuck behind one that insists on spinning both.

Wolf424 08-29-2023 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Avgeek7248 (Post 3689643)
The start times can be pretty lengthy upwards of 2-4 minutes a motor depending on how long it sat and how warm it is internally. Luckily with the MAX 9’s at least you have plenty of thrust so we’ll usually SET out of the alley so we’re not sitting there blocking all the NG’s in and then spin 1 once we start our taxi out. It’s not horrible until you’re stuck behind one that insists on spinning both.

Pratts on the 757 take right about 2 minutes to start. Pratts on the 767 can take even longer. It’s not going to be a big deal.

Avgeek7248 08-29-2023 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3689707)
Pratts on the 757 take right about 2 minutes to start. Pratts on the 767 can take even longer. It’s not going to be a big deal.

It won't. I am referencing "long" in comparison to the CFM's on the NG.

Wolf424 08-29-2023 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Avgeek7248 (Post 3689733)
It won't. I am referencing "long" in comparison to the CFM's on the NG.

Gotcha

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IntheBiz 10-04-2023 06:51 AM

But wait - who flies the A220?
 
I thought this was a regional plane owned by Delta but flown by any number of Regionals?
is this a Delta mainline-flown airplane?
if not, then which airline flies the A220 for them?

Wolf424 10-04-2023 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by IntheBiz (Post 3706168)
I thought this was a regional plane owned by Delta but flown by any number of Regionals?
is this a Delta mainline-flown airplane?
if not, then which airline flies the A220 for them?

You serious Clark?

NuGuy 10-04-2023 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by IntheBiz (Post 3706168)
I thought this was a regional plane owned by Delta but flown by any number of Regionals?
is this a Delta mainline-flown airplane?
if not, then which airline flies the A220 for them?

Screen name does not check out.

20Fathoms 10-04-2023 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3706218)
Screen name does not check out.

Well played sir.

FL370esq 10-04-2023 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by IntheBiz (Post 3706168)
if not, then which airline flies the A220 for them?

It was my understanding that Pan Am.and Eastern have the contract to fly them for Delta ...

Big E 757 10-06-2023 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3683375)
I kind of get that reasoning, but I’m stuck on something. If a 220 is going to fly 5 hours and a 319 is going to fly 5 hours, does it really matter what location the fuel is saved at? I guess cost of fuel at an individual airport could play into that, but for this it would only matter if ATL was cheap vs all other destinations. Am I missing something?


Youll be hard pressed to find a 5 hour route on an A319 out of ATL too. Whenever I fly through ATL, it’s almost always a 321, maybe a 320. And I know 319’s do fly in and out of ATL but it isn’t anything longer than a 30-45 minute flight, I’d bet.

FangsF15 10-07-2023 12:01 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3707480)
Youll be hard pressed to find a 5 hour route on an A319 out of ATL too. Whenever I fly through ATL, it’s almost always a 321, maybe a 320. And I know 319’s do fly in and out of ATL but it isn’t anything longer than a 30-45 minute flight, I’d bet.

It’s not going to be 5:00 on a 319 with the NEO and the 220 in the fleet. But…. It just so happens I have a bunch of 319 legs on my next trip. I have a 2:54 leg and two legs over 2:00, and 1 almost 2:00.


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