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Old 12-09-2023 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
The truth hurts sometimes.
I guess you see what you believe.
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Old 12-09-2023 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
More personal attacks (TOS violation). Call me names all you want but I'm not going to be silenced just because you don't like what I have to say. I told you this last week when you tried to get the mods to boot me... again.

Have a nice day. Stay out of the CPO.
What does CPO have to do with MBCBP? Are you making a veiled threat insinuating you would use CPO connections against a poster you disagree with?
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Old 12-09-2023 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
evidently.... and no what you wrote doesn't explain anything. Where is the money? Frankly, I am not sure this is legal, but I was watching American Greed on my commuter flight home last night, so perhaps I am springloaded to looking for scams.

I think this thing is a pretty decent deal all in all, but, I don't like the fact that I got a lot of hemmin' and hawin' and no real explanation as to where/how the money is invested.. and that was from the Fidelity people.

I'm actually somewhat amazed that so many are so accepting of the fact that their money is held somewhere... by somebody.. and you have no clue as to any of the particulars.
Look, I don’t disagree that there’s a severe lack of transparency. I’m just pushing back against the unwarranted (misdirected, at least) snark.

You asked for a source for the “40/60” design. I provided one.

You asked where exactly is the money. Making no pretension to having an exhaustive answer, I let the content of the FAQ answer speak for itself (in reality, I was only going for the first question, it wasn’t until you surprised me with your response that I fully appreciated the second).

Fidelity—whatever you may think of them as a financial custodian, good or bad—is hardly some fly-by-night shop likely to be gone when you want your money. More transparency? Abso-freakin’-lootly! We have “no clue” where/who/how it’s held? Nah….
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Old 12-09-2023 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
What does CPO have to do with MBCBP? Are you making a veiled threat insinuating you would use CPO connections against a poster you disagree with?
No. Fangs has posted several times how he was once called in because of something he wrote on APC. He never learned what it was or how they found him. He's the last person I'd suspect to be trolling, attacking, and flamebaiting after that, but here we are.
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Old 12-09-2023 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
Look, I don’t disagree that there’s a severe lack of transparency. I’m just pushing back against the unwarranted (misdirected, at least) snark.

You asked for a source for the “40/60” design. I provided one.

You asked where exactly is the money. Making no pretension to having an exhaustive answer, I let the content of the FAQ answer speak for itself (in reality, I was only going for the first question, it wasn’t until you surprised me with your response that I fully appreciated the second).

Fidelity—whatever you may think of them as a financial custodian, good or bad—is hardly some fly-by-night shop likely to be gone when you want your money. More transparency? Abso-freakin’-lootly! We have “no clue” where/who/how it’s held? Nah….
OK. I'm happy for you that you are satisfied.
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Old 12-09-2023 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Let's not forget it was a take it or leave it deal written entirely by the company with regards to open sections. Let's also not forget it was an ultimatum given by the government and further negotiations were not allowed. The deal is done and we move on but history is a lesson. This is not how it had been done prior, whether that's a good or bad thing is for each to judge but it was just as much an arbitrated settlement as it was negotiated.
Jesus can we let this go already? APA and UALPA were setting the bar so flipping low I’m glad we took the offer. Can you imagine the pattern bargaining off that??
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Old 12-09-2023 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Ted...always enjoy reading your posts. But I will respectfully disagree with your insinuation that JB's "mean lady" basically arbitrated our current PWA.

First off, very minor point but we negotiate under the auspices of the NMB because we are subject to the Railway Labor Act (RLA) rather than the much more labor-friendly (legislatively directed, even) National Labor Relations Board. Think UAW who was permitted to and actually did strike this year.

I know what you are trying to say with regard to arbitration but having actually been involved in the process before, this wasn't even close to a collective bargaining agreement arbitration decision - ask Alaska Airlines pilots how their arbitration went in 2005. Arbitration is basically a non-jury civil trial where the arbitrator acts as a judge and jury and both sides present their proposals on a limited number of "stalemated" issues (usually pay stuff) through written "briefs" (ironically, not so brief) and oral argument. The arbitrator takes the two sides' arguments and decides which side wins (no middle ground in final binding arbitration) and then crafts a written decision explaining why he/she/they picked one side over the other. That's it...that's your new agreement on those issues (again, ask Alaska pilots how that binding decision went in 2005). Once the decision is handed down, it is extremely difficult to successfully appeal the decision of an arbitrator. JB's scary lady was a scary couples' counselor who likely favored the positions of one spouse over the other, but she was no judge and jury.
Okay, lesson learned -that’s the last time I play along with someone else’s mischaracterization to make a point. Someone ELSE said it was basically arbitrated (see my original quote), and then I said (to paraphrase) “if that’s what arbitration looks like, maybe we should do it more.” I’ll do better with my sarcasm going forward.

Just so everyone can rest easy - no, I don’t think this was anything close to arbitration, and no, I wouldn’t ever intentionally choose arbitration.
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Old 12-09-2023 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
That is simply untrue. Your entire post is nothing but flamebait.
By his defition of DZ'er, he's right....by your defitniion of DZ'er, you are right as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong but in order to take the early retirement back before bankruptcy, there was a minimum # of years of service and min age....if you didn't meet both of those then you were not elgible to the early out....IMHO (worth exactly what you paid for it), THAT is the simplest definion of a DZ...you met one but not the other so you could not take the early out even if you really wanted to...you were in the zone where you couldn't do anything other than just keep working.

I'm not asking for where you perosnally were in relationship to those requirments, but could you please share what those YOS and Age requirements were for those of us not on property at the time?

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Old 12-09-2023 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
arbitration is something else, all together.
(Stares intently)

Arbitration is something else
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Old 12-09-2023 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
(Stares intently)

Arbitration is something else
I see what you did there....
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