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Podracer 07-31-2025 04:07 PM

Throughout my career, not just at Delta, I've always thought that there are about one third of pilots who do not take weather seriously enough. They act like you score points or something by deviating as less as possible. Its the type who's answer to everything at all times is "**shrug** we'll pick our way through."

There are also pilots who just aren't paying attention and flying with the radar off.

sailingfun 07-31-2025 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3933852)
Short of a hull loss, I can't recall the last time I read about 25 people going to the hospital.

If I had to guess based on galley pictures in the media, at a good portion of them were Delta flight attendants.

Speedy recovery.

No passengers required hospitalization. All were treated and released. Does seem odd the flight attendants were up and doing the service given the conditions.

2StgTurbine 07-31-2025 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Podracer (Post 3933854)
Throughout my career, not just at Delta, I've always thought that there are about one third of pilots who do not take weather seriously enough. They act like you score points or something by deviating as less as possible. Its the type who's answer to everything at all times is "**shrug** we'll pick our way through."

I have flown with plenty of people who are scared of anything on the radar. I recently flew with an FO who wanted to clear a cell by 80 miles! Perhaps it was years of flying on the east coast with restricted airspace, but sometimes you do need to pick your way through a line of weather stretching from the Gulf to the Great Lakes. Not all radar returns are convective cells, and it does take some experience.

A common thing I have seen with those pilots is failing to take the winds into account. When they are going between cells, they try to go right in the middle of them. I would rather be 20 miles away from the downwind cell and 10 miles from the upwind cell rather than 15 miles from both.

Smooth at FL450 07-31-2025 05:50 PM

Was the seatbelt sign even on? That’s a lot of injuries…

Trip7 07-31-2025 06:10 PM

330NEO has the multiscan radar right?

notEnuf 07-31-2025 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3933876)
I have flown with plenty of people who are scared of anything on the radar. I recently flew with an FO who wanted to clear a cell by 80 miles! Perhaps it was years of flying on the east coast with restricted airspace, but sometimes you do need to pick your way through a line of weather stretching from the Gulf to the Great Lakes. Not all radar returns are convective cells, and it does take some experience.

A common thing I have seen with those pilots is failing to take the winds into account. When they are going between cells, they try to go right in the middle of them. I would rather be 20 miles away from the downwind cell and 10 miles from the upwind cell rather than 15 miles from both.

In southern Wyoming traffic and airspace are not an issue, normally. I have come to love the 737 radar because it amplifies everything. What was my "normal" avoidance margin has gotten greater with the same depiction without even trying. ...or I'm just getting old. Yeah, old probably explains it. Nevermind.

madmax757 07-31-2025 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Podracer (Post 3933854)
Throughout my career, not just at Delta, I've always thought that there are about one third of pilots who do not take weather seriously enough. They act like you score points or something by deviating as less as possible. Its the type who's answer to everything at all times is "**shrug** we'll pick our way through."

There are also pilots who just aren't paying attention and flying with the radar off.

pretty standard practice (AIM) is to deviate around severe thunderstorms by 20 miles . Looks like they went right into a severe weather or in the tops. The 330-900 is nearly new and has radar for dummies . Looks like gross negligence to me.

cdubb240 07-31-2025 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3933876)
A common thing I have seen with those pilots is failing to take the winds into account. When they are going between cells, they try to go right in the middle of them. I would rather be 20 miles away from the downwind cell and 10 miles from the upwind cell rather than 15 miles from both.

Wouldn’t you want to be 20 miles from the upwind and 10 miles from the downwind? The hazard is going to travel with the wind and so will the anvil and hail throw (if present).

Regardless, agree weather avoidance certainly has been minimized as others have said for whatever reasons in many circles of aviation. Glad there’s at least some critical thought application out there. I flew older aircraft with attenuation problems and flying right down the middle of a gap could literally blow up in your face.

#ThingsTheMediterraneanPainfullyTaughtMe

LumberJack 07-31-2025 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 3933895)
pretty standard practice (AIM) is to deviate around severe thunderstorms by 20 miles . Looks like they went right into a severe weather or in the tops. The 330-900 is nearly new and has radar for dummies . Looks like gross negligence to me.

Maybe, or could be any number of other things. It amazes me how people think they have enough information.

Tinpusher007 07-31-2025 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3933872)
No passengers required hospitalization. All were treated and released. Does seem odd the flight attendants were up and doing the service given the conditions.

Maybe they weren't told to sit. It appears the crew didn't deviate around the wx at all so maybe they didn't feel the conditions warranted the FAs to be seated. Pax account of what happened said it was all of a sudden.


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