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Old 02-12-2026 | 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
I know it will be solved. Just not as eloquently or simply as I recommend.

I call a spade a spade. AA is terrible for pilots and terrible for the company(which I stand by the premise that WE are the company). Mad at the execs? Ok I get it. But hurting the company doesn’t really hurt them anywhere near as much as most believe. That’s all.

AA en masse hurts all. Fact. Who started it? That’s not my argument.
No matter how much you complain about it, thank goodness DALPA seems to be holding strong and waiting for section 6 (and completely ignoring your company-centric stance).

Let’s wait a couple more weeks to see how QS work.
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Old 02-12-2026 | 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
I know it will be solved. Just not as eloquently or simply as I recommend.

I call a spade a spade. AA is terrible for pilots and terrible for the company(which I stand by the premise that WE are the company). Mad at the execs? Ok I get it. But hurting the company doesn’t really hurt them anywhere near as much as most believe. That’s all.

AA en masse hurts all. Fact. Who started it? That’s not my argument.
“We” are not the people the company exists to serve unless you own substantial amounts of Delta stock. The company exists to make money for shareholders. We take a lot of money that would otherwise go to shareholders, and given how much money the company is making, we should continue to strive to take as much of our cut as we can. The company’s goal is to take as much of our money and give it to shareholders as possible.

We want the company to do well because that means we are doing well, but we should not be sacrificing pilot pay for the sake of the company when we are making billions in profit.
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Old 02-12-2026 | 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
No matter how much you complain about it, thank goodness DALPA seems to be holding strong and waiting for section 6 (and completely ignoring your company-centric stance).

Let’s wait a couple more weeks to see how QS work.

Why do you think this?

The biggest QS problem was/is that it was a big secret until it was already a done deal, not withstanding the fact that it didn’t go to MEMRAT.

Im a ALPA supporter, but don’t overlook the fact there are some reps who simply think “they know best” and will tell us we just need to get in line with their agenda.

im pretty certain there are conversations happening on the side. Probably going to end up wasting leverage yet again.
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Old 02-12-2026 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
Get rid of Auto Accept.

If you don’t want nuisance calls, don’t put in a blanket slip. Tell it the hours you don’t want calls.

Or DND.

But putting in slips, and then complaining about getting calls for trips? Get out of here.

Unreal.

It is more important for trips to be covered than it is for you to be bothered. Turn your phone off.


This is the answer.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, I think you are pretty much on an island in this one.

As others have also said, many times here. I WANT that slip I've got a blanket slip in for. I just don't want (nor does my wife) to be woken up multiple times a night for trips I have no chance at getting! I should not have to miss/sacrifice that slip just because the company waits until 0300 to run the coverage.

The thing is, it's not a binary choice. There are multiple ways to 'skin the cat'. Batch sizes is one of them (and it WORKED). but there are others. Regardless, I trust our negotiators to address this in Section 6.

In the meantime, QS is literally around the corner (possibly next month, I hear). And that will address 98% of OUR problem. The company problem will have to wait for Section 6, and the quid better be massive to save them the double-digit millions a month they are wasting. At least, that's my opinion.
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Old 02-12-2026 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tripled
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out of curiosity were you on property before ARCOS? Just trying to gauge validity.
Just to keep things in perspective, we are about 50% bigger than before ARCOS
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Old 02-12-2026 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tripled
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out of curiosity were you on property before ARCOS? Just trying to gauge validity.
I was. If you answered phone, trip was yours. GS were not proffers. The good news was once you got phone call, trips was yours if you wanted it. Worked fine before GS explosion, then we needed a more efficient way to cover trips. The union has handcuffed the company. We all know solution is to get rid of OOBWS and AA. It’s really simple. Now what do we get in return for that?
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Old 02-12-2026 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
I don’t believe you should have it both ways. Either deal with the calls in hopes of the GS, or “have a life” as you say and DND.

Don’t put in for a GS and then cry about it when you get calls.
Hope you don't hurt yourself carrying Mgmt's water.....
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Old 02-12-2026 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tripled
are you very very junior? Please revisit this post in 10 years and ask yourself if anything has changed your opinion in that timeframe. Nobody is advocating sr dude gets everything while bottom guy gets nothing, but like anc suggested, seniority has been diluted a fair amount in the last few contract cycles so don’t be too surprised if posters don’t heartily agree with some of the ‘fixes’ outlined here.

the company can go a looooong way toward helping itself by choosing to cover trips earlier in time and treating the pilot group with respect. Instead they are focusing on a few problem children and punishing all of us for the few among all 17000.
Seniority "diluted" over the past few contract cycles which means none or very few of the junior post COVID pilots were here to do anything about that. The older pilots themselves saw a heavily stratified career as not so great. The post-pension airline world no longer believes in slugging it out 90% of your career to maybe enjoy the last 10.

Its not a matter of changing our minds, its a matter of the perspective of the industry with which we came up with.
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Old 02-12-2026 | 05:56 AM
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The dude upgraded in 24 months.
Oh boy, WRONG again. Year and half
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Old 02-12-2026 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
You are entitled to your opinion. However, I think you are pretty much on an island in this one.

As others have also said, many times here. I WANT that slip I've got a blanket slip in for. I just don't want (nor does my wife) to be woken up multiple times a night for trips I have no chance at getting! I should not have to miss/sacrifice that slip just because the company waits until 0300 to run the coverage.

The thing is, it's not a binary choice. There are multiple ways to 'skin the cat'. Batch sizes is one of them (and it WORKED). but there are others. Regardless, I trust our negotiators to address this in Section 6.

In the meantime, QS is literally around the corner (possibly next month, I hear). And that will address 98% of OUR problem. The company problem will have to wait for Section 6, and the quid better be massive to save them the double-digit millions a month they are wasting. At least, that's my opinion.
Good points, but I have to ask, how many unsolicited IA calls are you getting? Also, there was a very interesting "experiment" on one of the Delta pilot FB pages a few weeks ago. A pilot followed the trip coverage process for a trip that had just popped into open time (next day trip, I believe; it was not a short notice trip in any case). Something like 50 (!) pilots let the ARCOS go to Auto Accept, a few actively "rejected" the award, and most just let it go the full 12 minutes, just to slow down trip coverage.

That means the claim of "I only use Auto Accept to avoid nuisance trip calls for trips I know I can't get" is often times a bunch of hypocritical crocodile tears. 50 pilots all had "first shot" at the trip--and it took that long for someone to accept it.

Most pilots mass blasting AA are doing so for cynical reasons, and we all know it. What? That ATL 320B, living in FLL, might actually not be able to make a SEA OOBWS trip? "Here's my shocked face."
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