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Old 05-23-2012, 04:20 AM
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Now that the management lackey has spoken.

Try to get your pea brain around the truth:
Dal hurried this deal thru to allow time for more negotiations in case the first (or subsequent deals) fail. They will come back to the table to achieve their goals. They are on a timeline that we now know (mid 2013).
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:21 AM
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo View Post
Fear, huh? Let's look at facts:

Airtran: 86 months in negotiations, they voted down a TA and didn't get another contract for about 5 years. They voted down the first TA with Southwest over seniority and just a short time later had to eat a much worse deal.

Continental: 47 months in negotiations

United: 36 months in negotiations

American: 60+ months in negotiations, now in bankruptcy

Airways: Merged in late 2005, now 80 months in negotiations

So what facts do you have to claim I am being fearful? The 29 month figure came from a slide that the NMB Chairwoman presented to the MEC and is posted on the ALPA website and included all the railroads which tend to have shorter negotiations. Why would she put that there? You can ignore facts and history at your own peril. Please don't tell me that we are going to bet our careers based on the advice of some internet blowhard. At least do some basic research first.
As a company, Delta is exceeding all of the above airlines in its business plan and profits. In order to continue its path of success, it will need the help of its pilots, it's only unionized workforce. Delta's labor relations have been better than all the aforementioned airlines with the exception of SWA historically.

Another fact is C2K was the result of a threatened strike that never happened. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I wasn't there, but from what I've read, in April 2000 the union voted to strike...one week before the strike was to take place, management gave in.

Success involve risk (a.k.a. 'peril').

As a minimum, I'd like to leave the 70/76 seater cap at 255, not 325 as in this latest proposal.
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90 View Post
As a company, Delta is exceeding all of the above airlines in its business plan and profits. In order to continue its path of success, it will need the help of its pilots, it's only unionized workforce. Delta's labor relations have been better than all the aforementioned airlines with the exception of SWA historically.

Another fact is C2K was the result of a threatened strike that never happened. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I wasn't there, but from what I've read, in April 2000 the union voted to strike...one week before the strike was to take place, management gave in.

Success involve risk (a.k.a. 'peril').
Bingo. Alfa's spin machine stuck on turbo-whisk comparing us to unprofitable companies.
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by contrails View Post
People need to print THAT post out and show it to everyone they fly with.

1000% accurate.
Its 1000 percent inaccurate. If you bank files chapter 11 you don't get to stop making your mortgage payments and keep your house for free. If you lease a car and then sublease it to a friend and he files bankruptcy you are not off the hook for the lease.
Delta holds the leases directly on the vast majority of DCI aircraft with Bombardier. Those they don't hold directly they have guaranteed.
Why do you think they bailed out Pinnacle. Had Pinnacle shutdown it would have been a financial disaster for Delta. 140 jets sitting that Delta still would have to make the lease payments on. They had no choice but to keep them operating. This is basic contract law.
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:47 AM
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Firmly believe mgt threw this out to gauge the sentiment of the pilot group. If we vote it down by 40-60, they will come back with a slightly higher number. If we vote it down by 20-80, I think we could see a higher number come our way, as they want it to pass by 50.1 percent, and not one vote more.

To say that aircraft purchases hinge on our contract is nonsense, we better not fall for that one. As far as the RJ scope sale, placing any negotiating value on the retirement of the 50 seaters is insanity. If they are killing DL economically, manglement will rid themselves of them in the quickest way possible. This is nothing personal guys/gals, just business!
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
Maybe Wall Street wasn't impressed because they saw forsee having to ride more CRJ-900s out of LGA?
The latest expansion announcement for the NYC complex is 100 percent mainline. Nice to see for a change.

“We're excited to be announcing new and expanded service to these popular leisure destinations at the same time we're building our new domestic hub at LaGuardia Airport," said Gail Grimmett, s.v.p.–New York. “It's another step toward achieving our goal of becoming the preferred airline in New York.”
In conjunction with the LGA expansion, Delta is investing $160 million to modernize two terminals at the airport and construct a new walkway connecting the facilities. At JFK, Delta is under way on a $1.2 billion program to enhance and expand Terminal 4, adding nine new gates and creating a state-of-the-art gateway for New York's fastest growing global airline. That facility will open in spring 2013.
New and expanded service to the Caribbean and Bermuda includes daily year-round service between LGA and Bermuda; and new Saturday flights between JFK and St. Maarten. Also, LGA-Nassau flights will be expanded from seasonal to year-round service; JFK-Montego Bay, Jamaica, flights will grow from Saturday seasonal to daily service; JFK-Aruba service will increase from Saturday seasonal flights to daily year-round service and JFK-Punta Cana, Dominican Republic, flights will expand from Saturday seasonal to daily year-round service.
Delta will also add new and expanded service to Florida including two new flights between LGA and Sarasota; a new flight between JFK and Fort Myers, a fourth daily flight between LGA and Fort Myers, as well as a fifth daily flight between LGA and Miami and Tampa, and a second daily flight between JFK and Tampa.
All mainline.
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90 View Post
As a minimum, I'd like to leave the 70/76 seater cap at 255, not 325 as in this latest proposal.
If DALPA wants a yes vote from me that's exactly what they're going to have to do. I can do without the $$$, trading scope for mainline jets that are replacing mainline jets is just foolish and is a trend that is not sustainable. Think about it!
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Old 05-23-2012, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Its 1000 percent inaccurate. If you bank files chapter 11 you don't get to stop making your mortgage payments and keep your house for free. If you lease a car and then sublease it to a friend and he files bankruptcy you are not off the hook for the lease.
Delta holds the leases directly on the vast majority of DCI aircraft with Bombardier. Those they don't hold directly they have guaranteed.
Why do you think they bailed out Pinnacle. Had Pinnacle shutdown it would have been a financial disaster for Delta. 140 jets sitting that Delta still would have to make the lease payments on. They had no choice but to keep them operating. This is basic contract law.
No they don't sailingfun.

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Old 05-23-2012, 05:19 AM
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One more thing. If we vote no, DAL will have an uncertain future financial burden displeasing to potential creditors for a merger or aircraft acquisition. DAL needs a solid fleet replacement plan at good interest rates. Analysts don't like uncertainty, and with DAL's focus on value, the investor & pleasing analysts for positive ratings, I think that would help seal a better deal prior to January 1, 2013.
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