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04-17-2013, 03:38 AM
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"We've had a couple as well. Not as bad as that"
We had this one in Moscow in 2008. Rotated early by 15kts I believe?
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We had this one in Moscow in 2008. Rotated early by 15kts I believe?
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04-17-2013, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
We've had a couple as well. Not as bad as that.
04-17-2013, 05:06 AM
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04-17-2013, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We have had them on the 300. It's really difficult to hit the tail on the 200. I don't think we had a single tail strike ever on the 200's during the 20 years Delta flew them. Boeing did not even put a tail skid on the 200.
04-17-2013, 06:08 AM
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And how about the 757-300's, any tail strike issues with that one?
I never flew it, but obviously, it's longer than the -200 and it's got a tail skid, so it must be an issue, but are we having a rash of incidents with that one too?
When I was flying the 767-300 daily, I always froze the pitch attitude at touch down, and I would also grab the speed brake lever and extend it slowly. If you let it pop up quickly on it's own, it will give you some pitch up, and if you aren't ready for it, or you are holding the nose up high already, it will give you more pitch than you wanted, at just the wrong time!
So I would pull the boards up slowly, while lowering the nose at the same time. Never had a problem doing it that way.
But if these incidents are happening on takeoff, well, "You're Doing it Wrong!" or the CG and/or trim were WAY off.
I never flew it, but obviously, it's longer than the -200 and it's got a tail skid, so it must be an issue, but are we having a rash of incidents with that one too?
When I was flying the 767-300 daily, I always froze the pitch attitude at touch down, and I would also grab the speed brake lever and extend it slowly. If you let it pop up quickly on it's own, it will give you some pitch up, and if you aren't ready for it, or you are holding the nose up high already, it will give you more pitch than you wanted, at just the wrong time!
So I would pull the boards up slowly, while lowering the nose at the same time. Never had a problem doing it that way.
But if these incidents are happening on takeoff, well, "You're Doing it Wrong!" or the CG and/or trim were WAY off.
04-17-2013, 06:19 AM
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The 737-900ER is going to have a tailskid, and I'm thinking it's gonna get used... a lot. Might just want to go ahead and install a tailwheel. Dalad, what fleet was getting the recent tailskids?
04-17-2013, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
And how about the 757-300's, any tail strike issues with that one?
I never flew it, but obviously, it's longer than the -200 and it's got a tail skid, so it must be an issue, but are we having a rash of incidents with that one too?
When I was flying the 767-300 daily, I always froze the pitch attitude at touch down, and I would also grab the speed brake lever and extend it slowly. If you let it pop up quickly on it's own, it will give you some pitch up, and if you aren't ready for it, or you are holding the nose up high already, it will give you more pitch than you wanted, at just the wrong time!
So I would pull the boards up slowly, while lowering the nose at the same time. Never had a problem doing it that way.
But if these incidents are happening on takeoff, well, "You're Doing it Wrong!" or the CG and/or trim were WAY off.
I never flew it, but obviously, it's longer than the -200 and it's got a tail skid, so it must be an issue, but are we having a rash of incidents with that one too?
When I was flying the 767-300 daily, I always froze the pitch attitude at touch down, and I would also grab the speed brake lever and extend it slowly. If you let it pop up quickly on it's own, it will give you some pitch up, and if you aren't ready for it, or you are holding the nose up high already, it will give you more pitch than you wanted, at just the wrong time!
So I would pull the boards up slowly, while lowering the nose at the same time. Never had a problem doing it that way.
But if these incidents are happening on takeoff, well, "You're Doing it Wrong!" or the CG and/or trim were WAY off.
04-17-2013, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly782
The 753 has had its fair share. There is someone quite famous for doing it a few times I believe.
04-17-2013, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
And how about the 757-300's, any tail strike issues with that one?
I never flew it, but obviously, it's longer than the -200 and it's got a tail skid, so it must be an issue, but are we having a rash of incidents with that one too?
When I was flying the 767-300 daily, I always froze the pitch attitude at touch down, and I would also grab the speed brake lever and extend it slowly. If you let it pop up quickly on it's own, it will give you some pitch up, and if you aren't ready for it, or you are holding the nose up high already, it will give you more pitch than you wanted, at just the wrong time!
So I would pull the boards up slowly, while lowering the nose at the same time. Never had a problem doing it that way.
But if these incidents are happening on takeoff, well, "You're Doing it Wrong!" or the CG and/or trim were WAY off.
I never flew it, but obviously, it's longer than the -200 and it's got a tail skid, so it must be an issue, but are we having a rash of incidents with that one too?
When I was flying the 767-300 daily, I always froze the pitch attitude at touch down, and I would also grab the speed brake lever and extend it slowly. If you let it pop up quickly on it's own, it will give you some pitch up, and if you aren't ready for it, or you are holding the nose up high already, it will give you more pitch than you wanted, at just the wrong time!
So I would pull the boards up slowly, while lowering the nose at the same time. Never had a problem doing it that way.
But if these incidents are happening on takeoff, well, "You're Doing it Wrong!" or the CG and/or trim were WAY off.
The vast majority of our tail strikes are on takeoff over 400,000lbs when there is a strong crosswind. The lateral input for the wind gets thr spoilers up and adds as much as a degree to the liftoff angle.
04-17-2013, 07:04 AM
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I loved the memo "you guys rotate too slow..."
I can a) be too slow or b) drag tail.
One requires a mahogany table and the other doesn't. On the 88 we have some that like a one quick yank off the ground. More power to them but if I was on the computer I'd pull up that awesome 88 departing in the snow shot, that tail gets close normally.
Timbo or Scambo or any other globe trotting 777 gurus, is the 772 like the 762 and pretty much in the clear?
I can a) be too slow or b) drag tail.
One requires a mahogany table and the other doesn't. On the 88 we have some that like a one quick yank off the ground. More power to them but if I was on the computer I'd pull up that awesome 88 departing in the snow shot, that tail gets close normally.
Timbo or Scambo or any other globe trotting 777 gurus, is the 772 like the 762 and pretty much in the clear?
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