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04-17-2013, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
The 737-900ER is going to have a tailskid, and I'm thinking it's gonna get used... a lot. Might just want to go ahead and install a tailwheel. Dalad, what fleet was getting the recent tailskids?
04-17-2013, 07:15 AM
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Time for tail strike videos.
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04-17-2013, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I loved the memo "you guys rotate too slow..."
I can a) be too slow or b) drag tail.
One requires a mahogany table and the other doesn't. On the 88 we have some that like a one quick yank off the ground. More power to them but if I was on the computer I'd pull up that awesome 88 departing in the snow shot, that tail gets close normally.
Timbo or Scambo or any other globe trotting 777 gurus, is the 772 like the 762 and pretty much in the clear?
I can a) be too slow or b) drag tail.
One requires a mahogany table and the other doesn't. On the 88 we have some that like a one quick yank off the ground. More power to them but if I was on the computer I'd pull up that awesome 88 departing in the snow shot, that tail gets close normally.
Timbo or Scambo or any other globe trotting 777 gurus, is the 772 like the 762 and pretty much in the clear?
I've not heard of anyone scraping the tail on our 777-200's, either on T/O or landing, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened, I just haven't heard about it if it did. It's not something anyone worries about in day to day ops.
And on the 767-200, I don't think it was an issue there either. I never say never, because surely someone could do it if they tried hard enough.
04-17-2013, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I loved the memo "you guys rotate too slow..."
I can a) be too slow or b) drag tail.
One requires a mahogany table and the other doesn't. On the 88 we have some that like a one quick yank off the ground. More power to them but if I was on the computer I'd pull up that awesome 88 departing in the snow shot, that tail gets close normally.
Timbo or Scambo or any other globe trotting 777 gurus, is the 772 like the 762 and pretty much in the clear?
I can a) be too slow or b) drag tail.
One requires a mahogany table and the other doesn't. On the 88 we have some that like a one quick yank off the ground. More power to them but if I was on the computer I'd pull up that awesome 88 departing in the snow shot, that tail gets close normally.
Timbo or Scambo or any other globe trotting 777 gurus, is the 772 like the 762 and pretty much in the clear?
04-17-2013, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Yeah I still don't see what the big issue with a little slower rotation is. Seems much smoother and safer to me. I'm always amazed by guys who want to yank the 75/76 off the ground and right up to the pitch bars like the sim instructor is behind him looking at his initial climb speed.
I mentioned that since we had departed from a 10,000' runway, with no obstacles, wouldn't we be much better off, rudder control and climb wise, if we had lost an engine at V1, with the extra 10 knots...?
The only time I worry about getting up quickly and being right on V2 is if it's a very short runway or there is an obstacle to be cleared, and 99% of the time, there isn't.
If the guys in the DFW 727 no-flap takeoff (1987) had rotated slower, they might have been able to fly it off, it was a 12,000 runway. Ever since that accident I've never been in a hurry to "jerk it off"....so to speak!
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04-17-2013, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
When I first checked out as my fist Capt. job on the MD88, I had the FAA on the jumpseat to watch on the last leg. His one critique was that I rotated slowly...
I mentioned that since we had departed from a 10,000' runway, with no obstacles, wouldn't we be much better off, rudder control and climb wise, if we had lost an engine at V1, with the extra 10 knots...?
The only time I worry about getting up quickly and being right on V2 is if it's a very short runway or there is an obstacle to be cleared, and 99% of the time, there isn't.
I mentioned that since we had departed from a 10,000' runway, with no obstacles, wouldn't we be much better off, rudder control and climb wise, if we had lost an engine at V1, with the extra 10 knots...?
The only time I worry about getting up quickly and being right on V2 is if it's a very short runway or there is an obstacle to be cleared, and 99% of the time, there isn't.
How many pilots have killed people due to rotating too fast and crashing either because:
a) they forgot to put out the flaps
b) they lost an engine at a critical time and couldn't save it
c) they got distracted with another issue and lost control due to low speed
d) they hit windshear with insufficient speed
Compare that number, with how many pilots have killed people because they ran off the end of the runway and/or hit something off the departure end, solely because they were rotating too slowly...
Yet, we continue to preach bad piloting, imo. This has been my biggest pet peeve with how my company tells me to fly airplanes.
04-17-2013, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
When I first checked out as my fist Capt. job on the MD88, I had the FAA on the jumpseat to watch on the last leg. His one critique was that I rotated slowly...
I mentioned that since we had departed from a 10,000' runway, with no obstacles, wouldn't we be much better off, rudder control and climb wise, if we had lost an engine at V1, with the extra 10 knots...?
The only time I worry about getting up quickly and being right on V2 is if it's a very short runway or there is an obstacle to be cleared, and 99% of the time, there isn't.
I mentioned that since we had departed from a 10,000' runway, with no obstacles, wouldn't we be much better off, rudder control and climb wise, if we had lost an engine at V1, with the extra 10 knots...?
The only time I worry about getting up quickly and being right on V2 is if it's a very short runway or there is an obstacle to be cleared, and 99% of the time, there isn't.
04-17-2013, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Awesome, I totally agree. What was his answer to your question?
"Oh yeah, you're right, I never looked at it like that, thanks for your valuable input..."
04-17-2013, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
The 737-900ER is going to have a tailskid, and I'm thinking it's gonna get used... a lot. Might just want to go ahead and install a tailwheel. Dalad, what fleet was getting the recent tailskids?
On landing the belly provides the "skid"...
- REF -5 and a compressed strut is a tail-strike
- REF -10 and touchdown is a tail-strike
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04-17-2013, 07:58 AM
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The recent uptick in tail strikes have been on the 767.
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