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Old 08-26-2009, 05:24 AM   #13221  
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Since ACL is adding to the inane pratter that seems to have permeated this thread as of late.. I'm betting that there will be no significant news until post SOC... anybody? But then... the bloodbath begins...
Unless you call Tennessee going 0'fer in the SEC as insignificant.
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Old 08-26-2009, 05:30 AM   #13222  
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It's that wadded up piece of material under your hat, but that's not important right now.
And stop calling me Shirley......
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Old 08-26-2009, 06:07 AM   #13223  
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Since ACL is adding to the inane pratter that seems to have permeated this thread as of late.. I'm betting that there will be no significant news until post SOC... anybody? But then... the bloodbath begins...
I never said that.

I just added that there always seems to be a gun deal for FFDO's. Talking about who is doing the walk around is getting quite old.

I am sure there will be a few more things prior to early Jan that will get the debate started again. Until then I will just troll until one of the SOSUS listening posts picks up on something and posts it here. I will add, but probably not start a discussion.

IMHO this winter is going to be very telling for this industry.
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Old 08-26-2009, 06:09 AM   #13224  
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I am going to enjoy a light workload this fall and prepare for my third full course in three years coming this spring. I think I may go to the 320....
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[quote=Boomer;668207]Part of me says give it a rest, but Scoop asked me some questions that I'll answer...


Boomer,
Something we can both agree on - lets give it a rest. No more questions. Now we have more time for guns and walkarounds. Maybe some creative computer Geek can combine the two and make a video game out of it. Lets see .... as the Pilot tries to do the walk-around he is assaulted by zombie tug drivers who try to run him over. Nah, too unrealistic.

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I am going to enjoy a light workload this fall and prepare for my third full course in three years coming this spring. I think I may go to the 320....
Come over to the dark side Luke
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Old 08-26-2009, 06:51 AM   #13227  
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I am going to enjoy a light workload this fall and prepare for my third full course in three years coming this spring. I think I may go to the 320....
Really, where?

Don't know if you recall how far back I forecast December 2010 furloughs, but there are reports that during the Flight Operations Road Shows a September 2010 date for mailing of notices is anticipated. Unfortunately, 90 days later is right on time for my prediction.

We have had more than a year now and several opportunities to get Compass on the list to rationalize this flow down and get them some longevity. My next prediction - Compass will be dumped and the flow will be jeopardized. The 100% failure rate of flow through agreements will be maintained.

I've asked the ALPA politicians how they would restore scope, the response is the empty space between these brackets ( ), do you know of any candidates doing anything more than making empty political statements which reaffirm their continuation of the same losing strategy that brought us to where we are at today?

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I am going to enjoy a light workload this fall and prepare for my third full course in three years coming this spring. I think I may go to the 320....
You'll enjoy it. It's a very comfortable flight deck, & is very easy to land.

I miss it.
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Brake,

Thanks for making yourself available! If I write "brake chatter" on a nomination card, our MEC will disavow even knowing this thing called APC exists. We will need a name to support you

Overall, the e-mails we have received in C44 are very ambiguous on "scope." No one has explained how unity would be restored, or how we would have Delta pilots performing more Delta flying. Your thoughts are requested on the following issues:

(1) Unity - what does this mean to you as an ALPA Representative?
(2) As a ALPA Representative, what does the term "fiduciary duty" mean to you?

(3) Scope:
-Restoration, recapture 76 seat flying?
If yes, then how?
(4) Representation
-Compass, in or out?
(5) Flow through agreements? Yes / No

Other issues, such are compensation, retirement and insurance all have similar answers, but if you have a differing platform that helps distinguish your positions from the status quo, we'd sure like to know.

I will not reply, or debate, unless asked to provide my answers. This is your forum. Thank you for sharing your positions.

No problem. I would rather not have my name published here for the same reason that you don't. Suffice to say, that mine was the first blast mail that you received. All necessary contact information is there. I have made myself available through a couple of other outlets as well.

1) Unity--I'll save posting the definitions. Unity is key. No question about it. It is everything.

2) Fiduciary duty--You'll have to forgive me, but it is a term largely used in a negative connotation. It is also a term heralded in the legal world as grounds for legal action. I certainly do not appreciate its use here, as I think it is hugely premature. Let me throw a few more terms out there ofen used in conjunction with fiduciary duty: skill, care, diligence, honesty, full disclosure. If we can speak to those terms, I will be more than happy to address them. I think that those traits are imperative in a rep. I will take issue with the "full disclosure"--as reps are subject to NDAs. that does not mean, however, that timely, comprehensive communication cannot be effective. As for whether or not, I possess those traits, well, I think that I do. I take the onus of this position very seriously, and I invite you to ask around. If you like what you hear, write my name down. If you don't like what you hear, don't.

3) 76 seat flying. Scope is an issue near and dear to my heart since my American Eagle days. It is section 1 for a reason. It seems as if it is finally starting to attract the attention which it deserves. I would like to use our unity to capture, recapture, and redefine scope in our favor at every opportunity. The same goes for the rest of the sections of our contract. Exactly how to do it involves leg work, paperwork, and sweat equity. The exact process involves more than one person, and a public forum is not the place for such a discussion. People with no need to know or differing agendas do not need such information. I would be happy to talk to you verbally at your leisure about such strategy. One last thing, lest we forget, there are scope issues at the other end of the spectrum which are just as important. Unity and fiduciary responsibility require that we address those issues with every bit of aggressiveness and diligence as well.

4) Representation. My gut tells me: Compass IN. I have not been a party to the meetings where the Compass discussion has been in play. From what I gather, they are eager to be a part of the Delta MEC. A wholly owned with truly altruistic motives is a good thing, and provides more of that unity which I think will more than offset any negative that comes with it.

5) Flow through agreements--have saved between 500-2000 furloughs on Delta property. I have nothing to back that up other than "connecting the dots." It has provided an important stop gap for what I hope will become less and less of an issue going forward.

This doesn't have to be a debate. It is an exchange of ideas. That's part of the reason that I am running. I believe that we may be having less and less of an exchange of ideas within our union as of late. Some may disagree, and that's fine. It's not about me, it never is. In that light, let me know if I did not answer you questions satisfactorily.
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Old 08-26-2009, 07:28 AM   #13230  
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Really, where?

Don't know if you recall how far back I forecast December 2010 furloughs, but there are reports that during the Flight Operations Road Shows a September 2010 date for mailing of notices is anticipated. Unfortunately, 90 days later is right on time for my prediction.

We have had more than a year now and several opportunities to get Compass on the list to rationalize this flow down and get them some longevity. My next prediction - Compass will be dumped and the flow will be jeopardized. The 100% failure rate of flow through agreements will be maintained.

I've asked the ALPA politicians how they would restore scope, the response is the empty space between these brackets ( ), do you know of any candidates doing anything more than making empty political statements which reaffirm their continuation of the same losing strategy that brought us to where we are at today?

flow down agreements are no replacement for unity

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There is a response posted. Unfortunately, I was flying all day and got to the hotel at about 12:45 this morning. How many of them have you contacted? I see that there is a 4th horse in the running now.
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