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Old 08-26-2009, 12:12 PM   #13251  
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If September 2010 is a possible furlough date, pilots who are above age 60 AND STILL HAVE A PENSION should be forced out first before any involuntary furloughs hit the street.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:31 PM   #13252  
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So I guess that means only DALN guys should retire to prevent furloughs.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:37 PM   #13253  
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Nothing in the in box Bar.......

As for Sept 2010. Yes, there was some talk of that and a few indicators that came out of us setting up for a furlough in the fall 2010. I agree with that. Worst case I cannot see more than those not protected by the more stringent 76 seat scope triggers.
Realistically, I do not even see that being an option. I do think that we have get to a 11K pilot group, but that would be with shrinkage as the top retired. JV's are a sure fire way to allow the company the latitude to make money without having to put forth the resources.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:39 PM   #13254  
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Watching Pinnacle stock shoot up 250% while Comair managers are "deciding to spend more time with their families" helps connect the dots on LGA flying.
Huh? What managers?
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:45 PM   #13255  
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Everyone put your egoes in check.

To say that we're going to furlough in over a year from now is very hypothetical to say the least. I hate to be a glass half full guy here, but the economy is showing signs of stabilizing. We are seeing retirements along with some signs that the RJ hay day is on the decline.

If folks on here can see that far in the future you are certainly in the wrong business.

If anything Im starting to think that we're going to get through this WITHOUT furloughing. jmo.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:59 PM   #13256  
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What Bar is talking about is a period of time approx two years after DCC where a lot of our protections expire and it starts to play in to the whole base/merger right sizing time frame. It really is not about the economy.

What is good is that we will be seeing a time of revenue growth. That lessens the impact of any merger synergy that might or might not happen.
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:05 PM   #13257  
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If the economy recovers, oil will go up. Then we will back at square one again with the airlines losing a ton of money.
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:27 PM   #13258  
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Nothing in the in box Bar.......

As for Sept 2010. Yes, there was some talk of that and a few indicators that came out of us setting up for a furlough in the fall 2010. I agree with that. Worst case I cannot see more than those not protected by the more stringent 76 seat scope triggers.
Realistically, I do not even see that being an option. I do think that we have get to a 11K pilot group, but that would be with shrinkage as the top retired. JV's are a sure fire way to allow the company the latitude to make money without having to put forth the resources.
So basically if I don't get furloughed, at the very least I am looking at being on reserve until about 2012!

Not complaining, just thinking out loud.
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If the economy recovers, oil will go up. Then we will back at square one again with the airlines losing a ton of money.
That is my biggest worry. As soon as there is growth the speculation will be back and we will be back to $150 oil. This would put a few large airlines out of business for good. We are already back at $70 and the recovery has barely begun.
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:55 PM   #13260  
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So basically if I don't get furloughed, at the very least I am looking at being on reserve until about 2012!

Not complaining, just thinking out loud.
IMHO it is possible. Worst case no, but definitely not the best case I am looking at either.

There is a lot that is going to happen here, some of it shortly and some of it over the next few months, but rest assured that we are in the best place to get through it. I would not want to be anywhere else. It is going to get ugly.
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