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I don't know of any South guys that were happy the 747-200s or DC9s were sold or would be happy if NRT shrunk/closed. We certainly weren't happy about FRA closing or the sale of the Pan Am A310s.
We're all one family now (even with the 747/777 fence that we have for 470 more days.) Pilot seats are pilots seats. Even though I'm fenced off of it, I would have been thrilled to see 10 more 747s come on the property.
We're all one family now (even with the 747/777 fence that we have for 470 more days.) Pilot seats are pilots seats. Even though I'm fenced off of it, I would have been thrilled to see 10 more 747s come on the property.
Cheers
George
Reading the C44 Communications you should see that the MEC has not even decided if they will negotiate. That is what this meeting is for. Read what the C44 reps published in their hotline and communiqué the last few weeks. If it does not result in a clear benefit for the Delta Pilots they will not ratify the TA.
Here are excerpts:
Sept 8th:
Item 1. Mid-Contract Negotiations, Setting the record straight: We often get the questions from Council 44 pilots, “Why pursue an LOA?” Or, “Shouldn’t we just say ‘No?’” You have communicated to us that you want to achieve contract improvements in several areas, and whenever possible. You have also passed resolutions directing us to do this. Let’s face it, there’s no shortage to the list of improvements that you provide us. Any negotiation that changes our contract will result in an LOA, that’s how it works. But let’s be clear: We will not ratify an LOA unless it is an improvement for the Delta pilots, in keeping with their direction to us and in their best interests!
We will engage in negotiations when mandated, such as a new joint venture, new aircraft pay, or up to 270 days prior to our amendable date. Additionally, we will engage in discretionary negotiations when opportunities arise that may lead to improvements in the pay, working conditions, retirement or job security of the Delta pilots, such as is occurring with Asia/Pacific scope. We have not yet but may engage in negotiations with Delta due to changes in the new flight time and duty time regulations (FAR 117), but will only if it is in the best interests of the Delta pilots to do so.
We will not negotiate to simply “help the company.” We will not negotiate to simply “provide relief.” We will negotiate when we see the opportunity to improve our contract. We are committed to achieving contract improvements for the Delta pilots at every opportunity, and will continue to communicate to you when we see these opportunities coming. We understand your input that any negotiations must result in gains for our pilots.
Communiqué:
Fellow Council 44 Pilots,
Today Delta Air Lines stock was re-listed on the S&P 500. As Delta is one of only two airlines on this index (DAL and LUV); this is a significant milestone for our company and serves as recognition of the sacrifices, hard work and dedication of the Delta pilots, and indeed all Delta employees, who rebuilt our airline in the aftermath of the tragic events of September 11, 2001.
Through bankruptcy, a hostile take-over attempt, two wars, the largest financial collapse since the Great Depression and a merger, we have been instrumental in rebuilding our brand, our airline, and our industry. Today we can pause and take great pride in what we’ve achieved together through many difficult decisions in a very difficult environment.
Delta Air Lines in now the industry-leading airline, outperforming the U.S. airline industry in nearly every metric. Delta has been profitable for three years and is now able to pay dividends, buy back stock, purchase new jets, invest in the company, and invest in new terminal construction at JFK and LGA, all while remaining on track to reduce its debt to $7 billion by 2016; a significant improvement over the $17 billion in debt in 2009. The mainline is growing with scheduled deliveries of 88 B717s, 100 B737-900s, 30 A321s and 10 A330-300s starting this fall through 2017. New hire pilots will join our ranks in November, and right now we have an advance entitlement open with more upward movement and an expected trajectory of continued advancement opportunities. Our Delta Air Lines is now a healthy and growing company capable of supporting a healthy pilot contract.
We should all be proud of the investment that we made and the returns that it brought, but we must be mindful of the fact that the Delta pilots have yet to recover from their sacrifices. As your representatives we will work tirelessly to deliver a contract that reflects this fact. The pilots who were instrumental in making today possible deserve nothing less.
Fraternally,
Hermon, Dave, Armando and David
Is this clear enough for you?
Here are excerpts:
Sept 8th:
Item 1. Mid-Contract Negotiations, Setting the record straight: We often get the questions from Council 44 pilots, “Why pursue an LOA?” Or, “Shouldn’t we just say ‘No?’” You have communicated to us that you want to achieve contract improvements in several areas, and whenever possible. You have also passed resolutions directing us to do this. Let’s face it, there’s no shortage to the list of improvements that you provide us. Any negotiation that changes our contract will result in an LOA, that’s how it works. But let’s be clear: We will not ratify an LOA unless it is an improvement for the Delta pilots, in keeping with their direction to us and in their best interests!
We will engage in negotiations when mandated, such as a new joint venture, new aircraft pay, or up to 270 days prior to our amendable date. Additionally, we will engage in discretionary negotiations when opportunities arise that may lead to improvements in the pay, working conditions, retirement or job security of the Delta pilots, such as is occurring with Asia/Pacific scope. We have not yet but may engage in negotiations with Delta due to changes in the new flight time and duty time regulations (FAR 117), but will only if it is in the best interests of the Delta pilots to do so.
We will not negotiate to simply “help the company.” We will not negotiate to simply “provide relief.” We will negotiate when we see the opportunity to improve our contract. We are committed to achieving contract improvements for the Delta pilots at every opportunity, and will continue to communicate to you when we see these opportunities coming. We understand your input that any negotiations must result in gains for our pilots.
Communiqué:
Fellow Council 44 Pilots,
Today Delta Air Lines stock was re-listed on the S&P 500. As Delta is one of only two airlines on this index (DAL and LUV); this is a significant milestone for our company and serves as recognition of the sacrifices, hard work and dedication of the Delta pilots, and indeed all Delta employees, who rebuilt our airline in the aftermath of the tragic events of September 11, 2001.
Through bankruptcy, a hostile take-over attempt, two wars, the largest financial collapse since the Great Depression and a merger, we have been instrumental in rebuilding our brand, our airline, and our industry. Today we can pause and take great pride in what we’ve achieved together through many difficult decisions in a very difficult environment.
Delta Air Lines in now the industry-leading airline, outperforming the U.S. airline industry in nearly every metric. Delta has been profitable for three years and is now able to pay dividends, buy back stock, purchase new jets, invest in the company, and invest in new terminal construction at JFK and LGA, all while remaining on track to reduce its debt to $7 billion by 2016; a significant improvement over the $17 billion in debt in 2009. The mainline is growing with scheduled deliveries of 88 B717s, 100 B737-900s, 30 A321s and 10 A330-300s starting this fall through 2017. New hire pilots will join our ranks in November, and right now we have an advance entitlement open with more upward movement and an expected trajectory of continued advancement opportunities. Our Delta Air Lines is now a healthy and growing company capable of supporting a healthy pilot contract.
We should all be proud of the investment that we made and the returns that it brought, but we must be mindful of the fact that the Delta pilots have yet to recover from their sacrifices. As your representatives we will work tirelessly to deliver a contract that reflects this fact. The pilots who were instrumental in making today possible deserve nothing less.
Fraternally,
Hermon, Dave, Armando and David
Is this clear enough for you?
Deeds not words. Time will tell.
Full disclosure - I voted against C2012 and debated the benefit of the 717. Now with a little historical perspective; the forethought to create new Joint Venture protections and provisions tied to the 717 appear to be helping us. I've changed my mind from con to pro.
Interested to learn your thoughts ... please share your reasoning with us. Why do believe Contract 2012 scope was not an improvement over it's predecessor?
Interested to learn your thoughts ... please share your reasoning with us. Why do believe Contract 2012 scope was not an improvement over it's predecessor?
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We also held the line (I was afraid we wouldn't). The status quo sees the Next Gen 100 seater on our property. We recaptured our flying. Those 717 A positions are absorbing a lot of pilots who would be displacements as the 757 undergoes fleet renewal.
Guess it is all in how you mix the facts ...
Someone else mixed "Malcomb in the Meth Lab"
True.
We also held the line (I was afraid we wouldn't). The status quo sees the Next Gen 100 seater on our property. We recaptured our flying. Those 717 A positions are absorbing a lot of pilots who would be displacements as the 757 undergoes fleet renewal.
I've had enough of displacements. You too?
We also held the line (I was afraid we wouldn't). The status quo sees the Next Gen 100 seater on our property. We recaptured our flying. Those 717 A positions are absorbing a lot of pilots who would be displacements as the 757 undergoes fleet renewal.
I've had enough of displacements. You too?
I see your point and my opinion is that what you state is conjecture... At what point did anyone say that X will happen if we force the company to stick with the 50 seaters??? (Who knows what would have happened, but getting concrete language was the way to go, 717's are not nothing to you and I and there is no way the company would has said , "oh you are right you guys win!") What I wanted in the contract was a cap and containment. It is in this contract... Is it perfect? no.... but it is one step closer to being certain that less Delta passengers, are flying on less DCI flights with Less DCI pilots...
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