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I doubt the RLA changes or jurisdiction changes anytime soon. This is why we must take action to implement change within the PWA. No other business relationship codified by an agreement takes advantage of a single party by locking them into an agreement with no recourse for restitution. You are being force to perform labor today that was valued in 2016 and as valued must continue at 2020 levels in perpetuity. Indentured servitude. Change my mind. This requires PWA action. I have never advocated for legislative action because it’s futile. We need to take care of our own problem. CPI makes sense, equal % as other employees, “me too” for industry standard… all of them. Shifting and cherry picking metrics like SCOPE each cycle is not the solution.
If ever there was a contract to implement this, it’s now. Everyone sees a need as a result of inflation so the motivation is there The newer generation is coming into the industry questioning the inertia of tradition. The company is facing a real need for increased labor and a PWA that attracts candidates. The time is now.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e...atorclause.asp
If ever there was a contract to implement this, it’s now. Everyone sees a need as a result of inflation so the motivation is there The newer generation is coming into the industry questioning the inertia of tradition. The company is facing a real need for increased labor and a PWA that attracts candidates. The time is now.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e...atorclause.asp
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Not trying to start a fight, or change any ideas that might come out of you guys brainstorming, but theres a couple things to keep in mind youre negotiating against.
For one, we as pilots arent negotiating against other pilot groups and we cant sell our services collectively to United. We dont get the kind of business relationship with management the guys who sell us fuel get. We won't either. They are the employer, we are the employee. I hate to offer this up because it will cause some other conversations, but the only way to fix that relationship with management is to have one union, one seniority list, across all unions. Probably wildly unpopular but i dont like bringing up problems without a starting place for a solution (even if unrealistic).
For one, we as pilots arent negotiating against other pilot groups and we cant sell our services collectively to United. We dont get the kind of business relationship with management the guys who sell us fuel get. We won't either. They are the employer, we are the employee. I hate to offer this up because it will cause some other conversations, but the only way to fix that relationship with management is to have one union, one seniority list, across all unions. Probably wildly unpopular but i dont like bringing up problems without a starting place for a solution (even if unrealistic).
Not trying to start a fight, or change any ideas that might come out of you guys brainstorming, but theres a couple things to keep in mind youre negotiating against.
For one, we as pilots arent negotiating against other pilot groups and we cant sell our services collectively to United. We dont get the kind of business relationship with management the guys who sell us fuel get. We won't either. They are the employer, we are the employee. I hate to offer this up because it will cause some other conversations, but the only way to fix that relationship with management is to have one union, one seniority list, across all unions. Probably wildly unpopular but i dont like bringing up problems without a starting place for a solution (even if unrealistic).
For one, we as pilots arent negotiating against other pilot groups and we cant sell our services collectively to United. We dont get the kind of business relationship with management the guys who sell us fuel get. We won't either. They are the employer, we are the employee. I hate to offer this up because it will cause some other conversations, but the only way to fix that relationship with management is to have one union, one seniority list, across all unions. Probably wildly unpopular but i dont like bringing up problems without a starting place for a solution (even if unrealistic).
You (1)can't realistically market your services once you are locked into your employer by seniority, and you (2)can't withdraw your service when the terms become amendable, and you (3)must work for existing wages for an undefined future period.
Again, (perpetual) indentured servitude.
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Not trying to start a fight, or change any ideas that might come out of you guys brainstorming, but theres a couple things to keep in mind youre negotiating against.
For one, we as pilots arent negotiating against other pilot groups and we cant sell our services collectively to United. We dont get the kind of business relationship with management the guys who sell us fuel get. We won't either. They are the employer, we are the employee. I hate to offer this up because it will cause some other conversations, but the only way to fix that relationship with management is to have one union, one seniority list, across all unions. Probably wildly unpopular but i dont like bringing up problems without a starting place for a solution (even if unrealistic).
For one, we as pilots arent negotiating against other pilot groups and we cant sell our services collectively to United. We dont get the kind of business relationship with management the guys who sell us fuel get. We won't either. They are the employer, we are the employee. I hate to offer this up because it will cause some other conversations, but the only way to fix that relationship with management is to have one union, one seniority list, across all unions. Probably wildly unpopular but i dont like bringing up problems without a starting place for a solution (even if unrealistic).
Scott wouldn’t know how to run a lemonade stand for profit, and don’t even get me started with AA”G” (if they ever dump APA)
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3 new Hawaiian routes announced today. OGG-HNL will be interesting to operate nonstop.
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Very bad idea.
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