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Old 12-11-2009, 06:07 PM
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I don't know what to think. DTW is, imo, a heck of a lot easier to commute to then NYC. I mean you think about all of the flights that go to NYC but the commute is done by a lot of people and I've seen NY go down hard in the winter for 2-4 days where my only option, outside of a sick call, was to fly to DC and buy a train ticket. My bet is the most junior position will indeed be NYC M88 B, due in part to the design of the SIL, followed by the DTW 9, but someone else may think this through better.
Yeah, I think your right. NYC 88 will probably be more junior than the -9 categories. That place really just sucks to get into and it sucks even worse when you have to cover three airports. I guess it depends on how many -N guys live within driving distance since all the -S guys that live up there are already there. If 100 -N guys live around there and want to get in, it might just go a little more senior until we grow the up and coming LGA mega-hub.
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I think the NYC M88 B will be the most junior, but I'm not sure the DTW-9 will be the most junior. It is far easier to commute to DTW than NYC. I still think Most Junior...

0. DTW DC9 or (NYC M88 B)
1. NYC M88
2. MSP M88
3. CVG M88
4. ATL M88
5. CVG 73N
6. NYC 73N
7 DTW 320

It's hard to say what the DC9 DAL-N guys will do...

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Old 12-11-2009, 06:11 PM
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Covering 3 Airports does suck... NYC M88 B will probably be more junior to DTW DC9 B.
Here's what I guess after this AE:
0. NYC M88
1. DTW DC9
2. MSP M88
3. CVG M88
4. ATL M88
5. CVG 73N
6. NYC 73N
7 DTW 320

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Old 12-11-2009, 06:14 PM
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It's hard to say what the DC9 DAL-N guys will do...

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If I weren't getting MD'd out of my category, I'd stay put for as long as I could and see where the dust settles. This is only the first of alot of MOAB's to come and I don't think anybody should consider their move on this bid to be a long term stable option. Lots of us are gonna be shuffled around more than once the next couple of years. Most of those -9 guys have stayed put for awhile and probably will sit it out a little longer would be my guess. Those categories might even be more senior than some of the 88 categories, especially the MSP one.
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Old 12-11-2009, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Weed View Post
Here's my New and Improved guess for most Junior, #0 is most Junior, what do you guys think...
0. DTW DC9
1. NYC M88
2. MSP M88
3. CVG M88
4. ATL M88
5. CVG 73N
6. NYC 73N
7 DTW 320
Sounds good to me. In all honesty, I'd just as soon my DTW DC9 category remain relatively unmessed with and un bid into...

On a side note, trying to type on a kids Crayola keyboard is a lot more difficult than it should be! (none of the key are in the right place....)
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Old 12-11-2009, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
I think you missed what ACL was really saying, as per the Flight Ops Weekly Update (which sign up and have it emailed to you)...

While this bid is primarily focused on increased utilization of our narrow body aircraft, it's important to keep in mind that this is our first shot out of the barrel, if you will, on a process that may take up to two years as we work with Network to realign where equipment needs to be based and the economy, specifically our revenue, change for the better.

What ACL was saying was that over the next two years you won't ever have to do a recurrent as you get signed off on every narrowbody aircraft in the fleet! I'm excited. I don't know which airplane I want to chose first. By the time we finish this journey we're all going to be more confused then Fathers Day in the ghetto.

Ugh... Beer. He taught me that one. He should get the infraction, not me.
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Old 12-11-2009, 06:42 PM
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Here is a summary of all AC/Bases available per this bid at DAL

ATL: M88, 73N, 767, 765, 7ER, 777 (Fenced S)
CVG: M88, 73N, 7ER
DTW: DC9, 320, 755, 330, 777 (fenced S,) 744 (Fenced N.)
LAX: 73N, 7ER
MEM: DC9, 320
MSP: DC9, M88, 320, 755, 330
NYC: M88, 73N, 765, 7ER
SEA: 330
SLC: 320, 73N, 765, 755

Did I miss anything?
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Old 12-11-2009, 06:52 PM
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US, Japan forge open skies agreement

US, Japan forge agreement allowing flights between countries to operate more freely

  • By David Koenig and Harry R. Weber, AP Airlines Writers
  • On 10:40 pm EST, Friday December 11, 2009



    The U.S. and Japan have reached a landmark agreement to relax limits on flights between the two countries.
    Under the agreement announced late Friday, airlines from both countries would be allowed to select routes and destinations based on consumer demand for both passenger and cargo services without limitations on the number of U.S. or Japanese carriers that can fly between the two countries or the number of flights they can operate.
    It would remove restrictions on capacity and pricing, and provide unlimited opportunities for cooperative marketing arrangements between U.S. and Japanese carriers.
    The agreement likely will prompt Japan Airlines and All Nippon Airways to seek joint ventures with U.S. airlines.
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    Old 12-11-2009, 06:57 PM
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    Originally Posted by DAL330drvr View Post
    US, Japan forge open skies agreement

    US, Japan forge agreement allowing flights between countries to operate more freely
    • By David Koenig and Harry R. Weber, AP Airlines Writers
    • On 10:40 pm EST, Friday December 11, 2009

    The U.S. and Japan have reached a landmark agreement to relax limits on flights between the two countries.
    Under the agreement announced late Friday, airlines from both countries would be allowed to select routes and destinations based on consumer demand for both passenger and cargo services without limitations on the number of U.S. or Japanese carriers that can fly between the two countries or the number of flights they can operate.
    It would remove restrictions on capacity and pricing, and provide unlimited opportunities for cooperative marketing arrangements between U.S. and Japanese carriers.
    The agreement likely will prompt Japan Airlines and All Nippon Airways to seek joint ventures with U.S. airlines.

    I don't really know if this is good or bad, or both.
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    Old 12-11-2009, 06:59 PM
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    Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
    I don't really know if this is good or bad, or both.
    We'll have to wait for details, says unlimited but only God knows what that means! Maybe it's good and yhat's why our stock took off today...
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