Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
#5491
ACL, you say "furloughs" and I down a six pack thinking about being on the street...then you say "no furloughs" and I celebrate by drinking a six pack. Anyone see a pattern here? Why are my pants tight?
#5492
I am just repeating what I was told. It came from three different people, so I am seeing it as good info.
Keep drinking, you are helping stimulate he economy.
Keep drinking, you are helping stimulate he economy.
#5493
At least I'm not the only one "stimulating the economy."
I found myself looking at the 73N manual last night...
#5494
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 798
Quote:
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Well that is a real possibility.
One thing I see with this code share is this, and it is only my opinion. Just sitting here thinking to myself and this made a lot of sense.
DAL gives MEH the code share knowing that those last 9 jets are more than likely going to be repossessed by Boeing. What this does then is furthers their argument to keep the infrastructure in MKE since they own 47% of MEH. It is ugly, but there is no reason to do a code share with someone out of MKE. We already flow the same routes to MSP, DTW, and ATL.
Now the other possibility is that they will use this and MEH to whipsaw us. They will code with you and buy new 73's or the like and have you fly them though our hubs. I guess you will get the last laugh on that one.
Either one makes me sick, but I do not see this code share as a good thing for either party of pilots. Just my .02.
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Delta-Song, United-Ted, Continental-Lite, US AIR-Metro ... all failed to stop Southwest.
Is Delta building a separate low cost carrier to take on Southwest, Airtran, and Jet Blue? A separate "B-Scale" airline feeding the Delta system with no aircraft weight or seat limit.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Well that is a real possibility.
One thing I see with this code share is this, and it is only my opinion. Just sitting here thinking to myself and this made a lot of sense.
DAL gives MEH the code share knowing that those last 9 jets are more than likely going to be repossessed by Boeing. What this does then is furthers their argument to keep the infrastructure in MKE since they own 47% of MEH. It is ugly, but there is no reason to do a code share with someone out of MKE. We already flow the same routes to MSP, DTW, and ATL.
Now the other possibility is that they will use this and MEH to whipsaw us. They will code with you and buy new 73's or the like and have you fly them though our hubs. I guess you will get the last laugh on that one.
Either one makes me sick, but I do not see this code share as a good thing for either party of pilots. Just my .02.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Delta-Song, United-Ted, Continental-Lite, US AIR-Metro ... all failed to stop Southwest.
Is Delta building a separate low cost carrier to take on Southwest, Airtran, and Jet Blue? A separate "B-Scale" airline feeding the Delta system with no aircraft weight or seat limit.
Last edited by MD80; 03-11-2009 at 02:35 PM.
#5496
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: The Beginnings
Posts: 1,317
Personally, I think this story is complete BS. If anyone's primarily at fault for delays, it's the federal government. This is the usual stupid "passenger rights activist" stuff. But it's news. Doesn't warrant a whole new thread though.
Delta one of top airlines to get an 'F' in report - CNN.com
Delta one of top airlines to get an 'F' in report
Far too many passengers are being stranded on board commercial flights in the United States in delays, an air passengers' rights group said Wednesday. Delta Air Lines, JetBlue, Continental Airlines, and US Airways received an overall grade of "F" on the air travel consumer report card.
FlyersRights.org, in issuing what it calls an air travel consumer report card, said there were more than 1,200 tarmac strandings -- in which passengers are locked in planes on the runways -- in 2008.
Delta Air Lines had the greatest number of tarmac delays longer than three hours. Southwest Airlines was rated the best for handling delays by letting customers get off delayed planes, as well as providing food, water and other items.
The longest delay the organization found was a January 2008 Delta flight from Atlanta, Georgia, to Florida, in which passengers waited on the tarmac for more than 10 hours without food and water.
"Too many Americans have been locked inside sealed airplanes, trapped in tubes on the tarmac, for three hours or more," said FlyersRights.org Executive Director Kate Hanni. "It's time for Congress to give airline passengers the legal right to get off planes stuck on the ground for three hours or more."
Hanni -- who has been lobbying for an airline passengers' bill of rights -- also said America's economic situation has exacerbated the problems consumers face on the airlines because of layoffs.
"Airlines are trying to maintain or increase their profit margins," she said. "They have decreased all of their goods and services related to flying."
She added that a timely flight is "not just a matter of passenger convenience, it's a matter of public safety."
"I wonder if heroic Captain Chesley 'Sully' Sullenberger and his crew could have performed as they did after seven, nine or even 12 hours on the tarmac?" [Deltabound notes: Uh, they wouldn't. They would have gone to the hotel. Do these morons even know what they're talking about? Rhetorical, I know] Hanni asked, making a reference to the US Airways crew that made an emergency landing in New York's Hudson River in January.
Hanni started her organization after she was stranded on the tarmac on an American Airlines flight in Austin, Texas, for more than nine hours in December 2006. Mark Mogel, the group's research director, said FlyersRights.org has about 24,000 members, many of whom donate money, services and lobbying help.
The report card is based on government statistics, press reports, airline Web site data, reports on the group's hotline, and eyewitness accounts from January to December of 2008.
It surveyed 17 airlines for various kinds of tarmac delays, their menu and contracts of carriage and customer service commitments and issued grades for these separate factors and an overall grade.
As for the menu, Mogel specified that the menu grade is based on quantity, not quality. The survey was looking to see whether there would be food on board during a tarmac delay.
Delta Air Lines, JetBlue, Continental Airlines, and US Airways received an overall grade of "F" and American Airlines received an overall grade of "D."
United Airlines, Airtran and American Eagle got a "C." Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines and Frontier Airlines got a "B," and Southwest received an "A."
Five other airlines -- Atlantic Southeast, Comair, ExpressJet, Mesa and Pinnacle -- didn't get an overall grade because some categories couldn't be completed.
"The fact that some airlines have received A's and B's and others D's and F's on this report card also shows that providing decent customer service and avoidance of strandings is both achievable and should not place an undue burden on the airline industry or lead to higher ticket prices," the report's executive summary said
Delta one of top airlines to get an 'F' in report - CNN.com
Delta one of top airlines to get an 'F' in report
Far too many passengers are being stranded on board commercial flights in the United States in delays, an air passengers' rights group said Wednesday. Delta Air Lines, JetBlue, Continental Airlines, and US Airways received an overall grade of "F" on the air travel consumer report card.
FlyersRights.org, in issuing what it calls an air travel consumer report card, said there were more than 1,200 tarmac strandings -- in which passengers are locked in planes on the runways -- in 2008.
Delta Air Lines had the greatest number of tarmac delays longer than three hours. Southwest Airlines was rated the best for handling delays by letting customers get off delayed planes, as well as providing food, water and other items.
The longest delay the organization found was a January 2008 Delta flight from Atlanta, Georgia, to Florida, in which passengers waited on the tarmac for more than 10 hours without food and water.
"Too many Americans have been locked inside sealed airplanes, trapped in tubes on the tarmac, for three hours or more," said FlyersRights.org Executive Director Kate Hanni. "It's time for Congress to give airline passengers the legal right to get off planes stuck on the ground for three hours or more."
Hanni -- who has been lobbying for an airline passengers' bill of rights -- also said America's economic situation has exacerbated the problems consumers face on the airlines because of layoffs.
"Airlines are trying to maintain or increase their profit margins," she said. "They have decreased all of their goods and services related to flying."
She added that a timely flight is "not just a matter of passenger convenience, it's a matter of public safety."
"I wonder if heroic Captain Chesley 'Sully' Sullenberger and his crew could have performed as they did after seven, nine or even 12 hours on the tarmac?" [Deltabound notes: Uh, they wouldn't. They would have gone to the hotel. Do these morons even know what they're talking about? Rhetorical, I know] Hanni asked, making a reference to the US Airways crew that made an emergency landing in New York's Hudson River in January.
Hanni started her organization after she was stranded on the tarmac on an American Airlines flight in Austin, Texas, for more than nine hours in December 2006. Mark Mogel, the group's research director, said FlyersRights.org has about 24,000 members, many of whom donate money, services and lobbying help.
The report card is based on government statistics, press reports, airline Web site data, reports on the group's hotline, and eyewitness accounts from January to December of 2008.
It surveyed 17 airlines for various kinds of tarmac delays, their menu and contracts of carriage and customer service commitments and issued grades for these separate factors and an overall grade.
As for the menu, Mogel specified that the menu grade is based on quantity, not quality. The survey was looking to see whether there would be food on board during a tarmac delay.
Delta Air Lines, JetBlue, Continental Airlines, and US Airways received an overall grade of "F" and American Airlines received an overall grade of "D."
United Airlines, Airtran and American Eagle got a "C." Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines and Frontier Airlines got a "B," and Southwest received an "A."
Five other airlines -- Atlantic Southeast, Comair, ExpressJet, Mesa and Pinnacle -- didn't get an overall grade because some categories couldn't be completed.
"The fact that some airlines have received A's and B's and others D's and F's on this report card also shows that providing decent customer service and avoidance of strandings is both achievable and should not place an undue burden on the airline industry or lead to higher ticket prices," the report's executive summary said
#5497
Quote:
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Well that is a real possibility.
One thing I see with this code share is this, and it is only my opinion. Just sitting here thinking to myself and this made a lot of sense.
DAL gives MEH the code share knowing that those last 9 jets are more than likely going to be repossessed by Boeing. What this does then is furthers their argument to keep the infrastructure in MKE since they own 47% of MEH. It is ugly, but there is no reason to do a code share with someone out of MKE. We already flow the same routes to MSP, DTW, and ATL.
Now the other possibility is that they will use this and MEH to whipsaw us. They will code with you and buy new 73's or the like and have you fly them though our hubs. I guess you will get the last laugh on that one.
Either one makes me sick, but I do not see this code share as a good thing for either party of pilots. Just my .02.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Delta-Song, United-Ted, Continental-Lite, US AIR-Metro ... all failed to stop Southwest.
Is Delta building a separate low cost carrier to take on Southwest, Airtran, and Jet Blue? A separate "B-Scale" airline feeding the Delta system with no aircraft weight or seat limit.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Well that is a real possibility.
One thing I see with this code share is this, and it is only my opinion. Just sitting here thinking to myself and this made a lot of sense.
DAL gives MEH the code share knowing that those last 9 jets are more than likely going to be repossessed by Boeing. What this does then is furthers their argument to keep the infrastructure in MKE since they own 47% of MEH. It is ugly, but there is no reason to do a code share with someone out of MKE. We already flow the same routes to MSP, DTW, and ATL.
Now the other possibility is that they will use this and MEH to whipsaw us. They will code with you and buy new 73's or the like and have you fly them though our hubs. I guess you will get the last laugh on that one.
Either one makes me sick, but I do not see this code share as a good thing for either party of pilots. Just my .02.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Delta-Song, United-Ted, Continental-Lite, US AIR-Metro ... all failed to stop Southwest.
Is Delta building a separate low cost carrier to take on Southwest, Airtran, and Jet Blue? A separate "B-Scale" airline feeding the Delta system with no aircraft weight or seat limit.
I think that there is a possibility of this, but if could be a lot simpler than this too.
#5498
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Watching Law & Order on reserve
Posts: 46
Here's a stupid question... Working on my April bid right now. In the bid package, there's a list of all the categories across the system and how many 1 day trips, 2 day trips, etc etc.. and the average trip length. This month (at least in the 73N ATL RES Bid pack) there lists categories of 7ER MSP, and 7ER SEA. All of those trips just show zeros across the line. Still though... Hrmph? No comprende
#5499
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Here's a stupid question... Working on my April bid right now. In the bid package, there's a list of all the categories across the system and how many 1 day trips, 2 day trips, etc etc.. and the average trip length. This month (at least in the 73N ATL RES Bid pack) there lists categories of 7ER MSP, and 7ER SEA. All of those trips just show zeros across the line. Still though... Hrmph? No comprende
#5500
This pull down will not result in furloughs. The last displacements planned for this if we decided not to do it, we would have had a reinstatement.
DAL is about 150~ or so pilot fat going in to the summer
Post SOC the joint company will be about 160~ or so short.
Needless to say go get your wives pregnant.
DAL is about 150~ or so pilot fat going in to the summer
Post SOC the joint company will be about 160~ or so short.
Needless to say go get your wives pregnant.
WOOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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