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03-16-2011, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
As for when I feel it is a time to fight, when our PWA has been violated. In Section six, when we are not going to get what we deserve, but to be able to fight effectively we need to be unified. Reality is that this thread and the DPA thread prove that we can be divided and conquered very easily. We can still change that though.
03-16-2011, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
If what you say is true, and a company or anything else was structured to get around any part of our contract, this is the perfect time to go to court to fight it. Just because it appears they have legally out maneuvered us, it does not mean we should approve the tactic by non-action.
The is a such thing as negotiating and contracting in good faith. If any party to a contract purposely acts in a way that is counter to the understanding of the agreement, I would argue that that party is in breach. Period.
The is a such thing as negotiating and contracting in good faith. If any party to a contract purposely acts in a way that is counter to the understanding of the agreement, I would argue that that party is in breach. Period.
Just because it is this way does not mean I like it. If you recall, I was irked when RJET bought MEH, and wanted what you want. I read the facts and was shown the reality of the situation.
Best one can hope for is that they go down to one certificate, or jets larger than 76 seats are operated on a certificate that operates our flying. To date that is not happening.
As for CHQ flying and the 145, they do not fly jets larger than 76 seats.
03-16-2011, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
What you fail to acknowledge here is that we are divided because ALPA isn't fighting for us. DPA with its warts was an attempt to reverse that.
The only thing being conquered is ALPA...
The only thing being conquered is ALPA...
Also, look at the latest 10K and look at when these contracts are expiring, even the new ones. Everything will be gone in ten years. Force DAL's hand to commit to stopping the outsourcing as these expire, do not try to reverse engineer our PWA language. Everyone will see though it. We agreed to it, now we have to undo it.
DPA has some good idea, I even admit that, but the reality is that everyone that I have talked to that is "pro dpa" has issues with people within alpa and not the structure. Reality is the structure of the independents mirrors DALPA and CAPA loosely mirrors ALPA. If you want and demand change, work for it within the structure that is in place, because after all, DPA will have a similar structure. Why? You can answer that.
03-16-2011, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Its all pattern bargaining after all, so lets see where we're at.
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Better hope we break that paradigm if you want much of an improvement 
http://www.alpa.org/publications/air_line_pilot_october_2010/Air_Line_Pilot_October_2010.pdf
Maybe someone could 'update' it for us?
03-16-2011, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
And where does it say Shuttle America? They are stating dour different airlines. Shuttle America does a a lot of our flying, fwiw. Probably is not omitted by mistake!!!
Single Carrier status would be great. I would want nothing more than to see this happen, but given the language in our PWA, and past practices, unless something changes within their structure, there is little leverage.
Single Carrier status would be great. I would want nothing more than to see this happen, but given the language in our PWA, and past practices, unless something changes within their structure, there is little leverage.
03-16-2011, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
...to be able to fight effectively we need to be unified.
That's why its DALPAs job is to foster unity in the pilot group.
It's called a Union for a reason.
Unfortunately there are some inside DALPA that have made this into an us vs them fight. Their definition of Union is to crush dissent.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Reality is that this thread and the DPA thread prove that we can be divided and conquered very easily.
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George
03-16-2011, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RickyBobby
For what it's worth, the CEO of Continental Resources was on CNBC this evening. He says it costs them ~$60/bbl to extract.
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Back around 2005 I was flying with a guy that used to be the comptroller at Chevron. He did that for 25 years. He was also in Libya when they nationalized all the U.S. assets for pennies on the dollar. This guy is a walking bag of numbers. He went into great detail on the costs and break even point associated with the oil sands. The number was between $50-60. If oil could stabilized above that price then you would see significant investment in oil sand/shale extraction. In his time at Chevron oil was too cheap to invest in sand/shale.
03-16-2011, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
So are we going to unify around surrender and mediocrity? Or are we going to unify around restoring our profession and our careers? It seems that ALPA is all about the former. And if they can't get behind the latter, then they are of little use and I think we need to try something different. A good number of us will not unify around surrender and mediocrity. There's your problem.
03-16-2011, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Gotcha... it doesn't matter because chatauqua does plenty of flying on our certificate as well. So what gives? Gonna try to squirm out of this one?
He's heard the "facts"
03-16-2011, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
. Reality is that this thread and the DPA thread prove that we can be divided and conquered very easily. We can still change that though.
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