Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-21-2012, 06:56 PM
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I'd call that proof that they aren't the same person.
05-21-2012, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by brakechatter
From Bloomberg. Read very carefully:
Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) may soon purchase more narrow-body jets when a tentative contract with its pilot union is ratified by a majority of members.
The accord, which includes pay raises of almost 20 percent, would allow many first officers to upgrade to captain while also creating additional openings for new first officers, Tim O’Malley, chairman of the executive council for the Delta chapter of the Air Line Pilots Association, wrote today in a letter to members.
The contract would also allow the Atlanta-based airline to add more 76-seat regional jets, although “this access can only occur if Delta first acquires small narrow-body jets flown by Delta mainline pilots,” while also getting rid of more 50-seat aircraft flown by regional partners, O’Malley said. Pilots prize jobs on main jet fleets because it means better pay and benefits over the long term.
Analysts have speculated that Delta is among the interested buyers of the 88 Boeing Co. (BA) 717s that Southwest Airlines Co. (LUV) acquired when it purchased AirTran Holdings Inc. last year. Southwest has said repeatedly it would like to get rid of the planes as soon as it can.
The jets have 117 seats and if acquired by Delta would be flown by the carrier’s pilots rather than by regional partners.
Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) may soon purchase more narrow-body jets when a tentative contract with its pilot union is ratified by a majority of members.
The accord, which includes pay raises of almost 20 percent, would allow many first officers to upgrade to captain while also creating additional openings for new first officers, Tim O’Malley, chairman of the executive council for the Delta chapter of the Air Line Pilots Association, wrote today in a letter to members.
The contract would also allow the Atlanta-based airline to add more 76-seat regional jets, although “this access can only occur if Delta first acquires small narrow-body jets flown by Delta mainline pilots,” while also getting rid of more 50-seat aircraft flown by regional partners, O’Malley said. Pilots prize jobs on main jet fleets because it means better pay and benefits over the long term.
Analysts have speculated that Delta is among the interested buyers of the 88 Boeing Co. (BA) 717s that Southwest Airlines Co. (LUV) acquired when it purchased AirTran Holdings Inc. last year. Southwest has said repeatedly it would like to get rid of the planes as soon as it can.
The jets have 117 seats and if acquired by Delta would be flown by the carrier’s pilots rather than by regional partners.
05-21-2012, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
4+30 per day, unless report is after 2200 or checkout is before 0200.
05-21-2012, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There are not 125 under contract with this TA. There are still 311. I was told the agreements for the majority drop dead between 2017 and 2024. Delta is not going to be released from the leases by Bombardier with a a big quid. Look for that announcement soon.
05-21-2012, 07:02 PM
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Some bullet points:
Supposedly we'll be above WN's current 737 pay in 2015 with this turd... at 216.92 vs. their 216.22. 12 year 777 CA rate= fdx's in 2015.
International pay increased 6.00->6.50 for CA and to 4.50 for FO.
Distributed training pay is 1 minute of pay for 2 minutes of run time instead of 1 for 3.
CQ training pay is now 3:45 a day instead of 3:15
Vacation pay from 3 even to 3:15 (really....)
per diem increases .10 a year from current rates.
Scope:
Hard cap of 450 DCI aircraft- 125 50 seaters, 102 70 seaters, and 223 76 seaters. (current fleet commitment is 586, reduces to 553 in 2015 and 426 in 2017. 331 50 seaters required this year, 311 in 2015, in 2020 down to 111)
The minimum ratio of flying as has already been stated.
No more 3:1 76 seaters above 767 mainline aircraft.
Supposedly solves the Republic issue.
Removal of 6 seats to all 76 seat aircraft in the event of a pilot furlough.
35% of hiring (not a flow) to be comprised of ALPA DCI pilots.
Average daily guarantee is 4:30 a day per rotation with the previously pointed out 2200-0200 exception.
Early retirement program- targets 250-300 pilots and provides for up to 120k in medical account and up to 39 weeks of severance.
Supposedly we'll be above WN's current 737 pay in 2015 with this turd... at 216.92 vs. their 216.22. 12 year 777 CA rate= fdx's in 2015.
International pay increased 6.00->6.50 for CA and to 4.50 for FO.
Distributed training pay is 1 minute of pay for 2 minutes of run time instead of 1 for 3.
CQ training pay is now 3:45 a day instead of 3:15
Vacation pay from 3 even to 3:15 (really....)
per diem increases .10 a year from current rates.
Scope:
Hard cap of 450 DCI aircraft- 125 50 seaters, 102 70 seaters, and 223 76 seaters. (current fleet commitment is 586, reduces to 553 in 2015 and 426 in 2017. 331 50 seaters required this year, 311 in 2015, in 2020 down to 111)
The minimum ratio of flying as has already been stated.
No more 3:1 76 seaters above 767 mainline aircraft.
Supposedly solves the Republic issue.
Removal of 6 seats to all 76 seat aircraft in the event of a pilot furlough.
35% of hiring (not a flow) to be comprised of ALPA DCI pilots.
Average daily guarantee is 4:30 a day per rotation with the previously pointed out 2200-0200 exception.
Early retirement program- targets 250-300 pilots and provides for up to 120k in medical account and up to 39 weeks of severance.
05-21-2012, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
Hard cap of 255 76 seaters is decreased to 223. However, this doesn't take the 70 seaters into account, which the current 255 cap does. Thus, the total number of 51-76 seaters goes up by some 70 airframes. Smoke and mirrors!
05-21-2012, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Today the ratio of domestic mainline narrowbody and 767 domestic to DCI block hours is 54% mainline, 46% DCI (ratio of 1.19-1)
The minimum contractual ratio if Delta buys 88 small narrowbodies and increases to 223 76 seaters is 61% Mainline-39% DCI (ratio of 1.56-1)
The business plan calls for a ratio of 64%-36%, or a 1.76-1 ratio
More flying of the Delta brand is coming to mainline under this TA.
The minimum contractual ratio if Delta buys 88 small narrowbodies and increases to 223 76 seaters is 61% Mainline-39% DCI (ratio of 1.56-1)
The business plan calls for a ratio of 64%-36%, or a 1.76-1 ratio
More flying of the Delta brand is coming to mainline under this TA.
How do the numbers change if ASMs are used instead of block hours? It seems like that's what we care about...miles spent by DL pax in DL mainline seats. DCI block hours obviously decrease as they fly fewer jets, but they are moving a LOT more people (roughly 50% more per jet, I guess).
Did ALPA do the math on the total number of DCI RJs it would take to replace all DL domestic and near international narrow body flying? This definitely looks like a step in the wrong direction.
05-21-2012, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomcat
Thanks for the response Slow.... This is one ugly pig, but I'm going to do my homework. The payrates are disappointing to say the least..... The DC contribution not being phased in until later? Really? Scope is so damn complicated that it's difficult to know how it's actually going to effect us, but it doesn't feel right and I told myself that I wouldn't vote for something that moves the line again.
But I'll tell you the thing that just sticks at me the most......that really makes me wonder what in the hell I'm paying ALPA for.... is reducing our profit sharing to fund our meger bump in payrates and the two years at 3% that won't keep up with inflation. What is that? We are busting our A--es out on the line to save money every where we can and you reduce our profit sharing. We're flying clean airplanes as long as we can and still meet stabilized aproach critirea, starting APU's at the last minute, single engine taxi to the point that I'm busting my hump to get throught the checklist before we take the runway and yet this sends a message that it doesn't matter enough to keep our profit sharing as is....... ***! I go out of the way to engage our passengers to strengthen our brand..... You lose me.... you've lost a lot of guys......
Present the TA, but don't waste your time shoveling a pile of crap down our throats about the reduced profit sharing. The number may not be staggering on this, but the message is clear.
TC
But I'll tell you the thing that just sticks at me the most......that really makes me wonder what in the hell I'm paying ALPA for.... is reducing our profit sharing to fund our meger bump in payrates and the two years at 3% that won't keep up with inflation. What is that? We are busting our A--es out on the line to save money every where we can and you reduce our profit sharing. We're flying clean airplanes as long as we can and still meet stabilized aproach critirea, starting APU's at the last minute, single engine taxi to the point that I'm busting my hump to get throught the checklist before we take the runway and yet this sends a message that it doesn't matter enough to keep our profit sharing as is....... ***!
I go out of the way to engage our passengers to strengthen our brand..... You lose me.... you've lost a lot of guys...... Present the TA, but don't waste your time shoveling a pile of crap down our throats about the reduced profit sharing. The number may not be staggering on this, but the message is clear.
TC
05-21-2012, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There are not 125 under contract with this TA. There are still 311. I was told the agreements for the majority drop dead between 2017 and 2024. Delta is not going to be released from the leases by Bombardier with a a big quid. Look for that announcement soon.
Originally Posted by slowplay
Go back and reread the TA section 1. You will find that you are incorrect.
Originally Posted by scambo1
I'd call that proof that they aren't the same person.
What?!?!
05-21-2012, 07:14 PM
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I love how they state that they traded a portion of profit sharing for "permanent pay increases..." and that is barely above government (not actual) COLA.
Absolutely insulting.
The sale job is going to be absolutely fantastic on this one...
Absolutely insulting.
The sale job is going to be absolutely fantastic on this one...
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