Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Not throwin rocks at you ACL.. it seems that summer is (will be) very telling... fall will be very telling... winter will be very telling... I think I am starting to see a pattern here. I've kind of reached the point where I don't care what the woes of the industry is/are... I want my contract fixed. It's up to the guys that make the HUGE dollars to figure out how to pay for it. Sorry for rant.
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It bothers me that those who are running for an office (not just you) have no idea what the basic responsibilities of that office is. It astonishes me that when asked, no one in ALPA can define the term. It is not difficult. As pilots we do this all the time, we place the well being and safety of our passengers above our own selfish desires. We even place the well being of the company before our own desires. As a Rep, it would be your job to place the well being of your pilots before your personal desires, simple.
There is no need to fear "fiduciary duty." In my other job I represent people and corporations and am proud to execute my "fiduciary duty" professionally. As a servant, I do not engage in double dealing to screw my client(s). Unfortunately, the same can not be said for many in ALPA service. The long line of ALPA's legal failures clearly indicate that many get into the job without understanding what the heck the job is. ALPA then completely fails to train them resulting in failures at the negotiating table and loss of our Major Contingency Funds. Last year ALPA spent more defending itself that it did representing pilots! That needs to be fixed.
3) 76 seat flying. Scope is an issue near and dear to my heart since my American Eagle days. It is section 1 for a reason. It seems as if it is finally starting to attract the attention which it deserves. I would like to use our unity to capture, recapture, and redefine scope in our favor at every opportunity.
4) Representation. My gut tells me: Compass IN. I have not been a party to the meetings where the Compass discussion has been in play. From what I gather, they are eager to be a part of the Delta MEC. A wholly owned with truly altruistic motives is a good thing, and provides more of that unity which I think will more than offset any negative that comes with it.
I was incredulous at Council 44's brief that our contract was working because it is so poorly written that no one can figure out how to execute the flow down to Compass. It works because it doesn't work, thus saving jobs. My analogy would be more like a turd in the toilet that backs up the flow momentarily before being pushed down with increased velocity. Management has the plunger and has indicated they will use it in September 2010. (right on time for my December 2010 furlough prediction made back during the JPWA debate in 2008)
The correct answer, which you already raised, would be to get Compass on the list now. A flow down is no replacement for unity. A flow down only facilitates outsourcing by providing a mechanism to replace mainline jobs with regional jobs within our brand.
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Brake, I know several personally and have written a lot for their consideration.
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The likely targets, United and US Air, might not be as sick as many are making out. The truth is we have to compete with US Air and they have MUCH lower labor costs than we do, which is is unlikely to change as they can't achieve any measure of unity to get a contract done.
Delta's carrying more of an operation through this winter than they should. They will fix that in 2010, but in the mean time we are eating through cash too.
I have no idea why any airline stock is above $3 a share, except for maybe Southwest.
Pinnacle is up 250%. There are a lot of people either trading on inside information, or one heck of a hunch.
Stock Quotes | PNCL - Pinnacle Airlines Corp at tickerspy.com
Ok, since you asked. ... I offer this for your consideration:
2> Fiduciary Duty, simply explained, is putting the good of your pilots first, above your own.
It bothers me that those who are running for an office (not just you) have no idea what the basic responsibilities of that office is. It astonishes me that when asked, no one in ALPA can define the term. It is not difficult.
2> Fiduciary Duty, simply explained, is putting the good of your pilots first, above your own.
It bothers me that those who are running for an office (not just you) have no idea what the basic responsibilities of that office is. It astonishes me that when asked, no one in ALPA can define the term. It is not difficult.
"It's not about me, it never is"
A quick visit to our recent past: We had a very popular candidate storm the gates, pound his fists, stomp his feet, and fool a lot of smart people in getting elected. He then proceeded, allegedly, to breach that fiduciary responsibility in a very big way. So in that manner, saying the right things isn't really good enough. The principles of fiduciary responsibility, IMO, are within. You either have them,or you don't. Perhaps that clarifies it a bit.
As for the compass issue, I adressed that one as well. As I said, there are a lot of interested parties reading this, not all of them with a fiduciary duty to Delta pilots. Quite the opposite in fact. Thus, I am not willing to discuss it inopen forum. Once again, I invite you to reread my post with regard to the flow, every word, and I think that you might be able to connect some dots.
I offer this post not to change my views on subjects in order to garner your vote, as politicians do, but merely to suggest that we were speaking the same all along. You'll have to judge for yourself.
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I never said that.
I just added that there always seems to be a gun deal for FFDO's. Talking about who is doing the walk around is getting quite old.
I am sure there will be a few more things prior to early Jan that will get the debate started again. Until then I will just troll until one of the SOSUS listening posts picks up on something and posts it here. I will add, but probably not start a discussion.
IMHO this winter is going to be very telling for this industry.
I just added that there always seems to be a gun deal for FFDO's. Talking about who is doing the walk around is getting quite old.
I am sure there will be a few more things prior to early Jan that will get the debate started again. Until then I will just troll until one of the SOSUS listening posts picks up on something and posts it here. I will add, but probably not start a discussion.
IMHO this winter is going to be very telling for this industry.
Bar; did a little bit, but in a nut shell there is not enough credit out there to get some airlines though the winter months. I see a few airlines shrinking to survive.
You want guys that are going to fix the problems, IMHO you need guys that are going to listen to you, listen to multiple options and make an informed decision. There is one way to fix a lot of our ills and that is with UNITY. With unity comes the fact that to solve this the group needs to better educate itself, and come up with a idea (s) that work for all of us. Single source ideas often never pass the error check.
As for CPS. There may be some real genius in keeping them off the property. I hate to say it, but I see it. It has to do with all of the other DCI carriers needed to be in the bottom two of cost. Well, CPS is the cheapest, so it only leave one other that is in compliance at the five year mark.
You want guys that are going to fix the problems, IMHO you need guys that are going to listen to you, listen to multiple options and make an informed decision. There is one way to fix a lot of our ills and that is with UNITY. With unity comes the fact that to solve this the group needs to better educate itself, and come up with a idea (s) that work for all of us. Single source ideas often never pass the error check.
As for CPS. There may be some real genius in keeping them off the property. I hate to say it, but I see it. It has to do with all of the other DCI carriers needed to be in the bottom two of cost. Well, CPS is the cheapest, so it only leave one other that is in compliance at the five year mark.
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Numbers for 3 troubled airlines
By The Associated Press
On Wednesday August 26, 2009, 12:27 pm EDT
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Companies: AirTran Holdings Inc, Alaska Air Group Inc, AMR Corporation
US Airways, United Airlines and American Airlines are seen as the major carriers most at risk of a cash crisis, even possible bankruptcy, by early next year. Some analysts predict they will have less cash for their size than US Airways, Delta and Northwest did when they filed for bankruptcy protection in 2004-05.
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Symbol Price Change
AAI 6.86 -0.03
ALK 26.84 +0.35
AMR 5.78 +0.09
CAL 13.63 -0.02
DAL 7.53 +0.16
Here are some key financial numbers on each, plus major airline-industry bankruptcy filings of the past 10 years:
-- US Airways Group Inc., based in Tempe, Ariz.
2008 results, $12.1 billion in revenue, net loss of $2.2 billion; unrestricted cash on June 30, $1.7 billion.
-- United Airlines parent UAL Corp., based in Chicago.
2008 results, $20.2 billion in revenue, net loss of $5.3 billion; unrestricted cash on June 30, $2.6 billion.
-- American Airlines parent AMR Corp.
2008 results, $23.8 billion in revenue, net loss of $2.1 billion; unrestricted cash on June 30, $2.8 billion.
Major airline bankruptcy filings since 1999:
-- Delta Air Lines, September 2005
-- Northwest Airlines, September 2005
-- ATA Airlines, October 2004
-- US Airways, September 2004
-- United Airlines, December 2002
-- US Airways, August 2002, Note A
-- Trans World Airlines, January 2001, Note B
Note A -- This carrier later combined with America West Airlines to form US Airways Group Inc.
Note B -- While in bankruptcy protection, TWA was purchased by AMR and no longer operates as a separate carrier.
By The Associated Press
On Wednesday August 26, 2009, 12:27 pm EDT
Buzz up! 4
Companies: AirTran Holdings Inc, Alaska Air Group Inc, AMR Corporation
US Airways, United Airlines and American Airlines are seen as the major carriers most at risk of a cash crisis, even possible bankruptcy, by early next year. Some analysts predict they will have less cash for their size than US Airways, Delta and Northwest did when they filed for bankruptcy protection in 2004-05.
Related Quotes
Symbol Price Change
AAI 6.86 -0.03
ALK 26.84 +0.35
AMR 5.78 +0.09
CAL 13.63 -0.02
DAL 7.53 +0.16
Here are some key financial numbers on each, plus major airline-industry bankruptcy filings of the past 10 years:
-- US Airways Group Inc., based in Tempe, Ariz.
2008 results, $12.1 billion in revenue, net loss of $2.2 billion; unrestricted cash on June 30, $1.7 billion.
-- United Airlines parent UAL Corp., based in Chicago.
2008 results, $20.2 billion in revenue, net loss of $5.3 billion; unrestricted cash on June 30, $2.6 billion.
-- American Airlines parent AMR Corp.
2008 results, $23.8 billion in revenue, net loss of $2.1 billion; unrestricted cash on June 30, $2.8 billion.
Major airline bankruptcy filings since 1999:
-- Delta Air Lines, September 2005
-- Northwest Airlines, September 2005
-- ATA Airlines, October 2004
-- US Airways, September 2004
-- United Airlines, December 2002
-- US Airways, August 2002, Note A
-- Trans World Airlines, January 2001, Note B
Note A -- This carrier later combined with America West Airlines to form US Airways Group Inc.
Note B -- While in bankruptcy protection, TWA was purchased by AMR and no longer operates as a separate carrier.
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Bar; did a little bit, but in a nut shell there is not enough credit out there to get some airlines though the winter months. I see a few airlines shrinking to survive.
You want guys that are going to fix the problems, IMHO you need guys that are going to listen to you, listen to multiple options and make an informed decision. There is one way to fix a lot of our ills and that is with UNITY. With unity comes the fact that to solve this the group needs to better educate itself, and come up with a idea (s) that work for all of us. Single source ideas often never pass the error check.
As for CPS. There may be some real genius in keeping them off the property. I hate to say it, but I see it. It has to do with all of the other DCI carriers needed to be in the bottom two of cost. Well, CPS is the cheapest, so it only leave one other that is in compliance at the five year mark.
You want guys that are going to fix the problems, IMHO you need guys that are going to listen to you, listen to multiple options and make an informed decision. There is one way to fix a lot of our ills and that is with UNITY. With unity comes the fact that to solve this the group needs to better educate itself, and come up with a idea (s) that work for all of us. Single source ideas often never pass the error check.
As for CPS. There may be some real genius in keeping them off the property. I hate to say it, but I see it. It has to do with all of the other DCI carriers needed to be in the bottom two of cost. Well, CPS is the cheapest, so it only leave one other that is in compliance at the five year mark.
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