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Old 10-07-2014, 06:13 AM   #5671  
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Great Post! 15 years at DAL and with few exceptions you can not tell the difference. Mostly solid dudes from both groups.

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You can easily tell who the fighter guys were. They still have to touch everything and test every system even if you don't have to. The old SAC bomber guys still call FO's "Co-Pilots." Civilian guys never seem to just turn the autopilot off and hand fly when the mode they're trying to use isn't getting the job done. I'll think of some more.
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Old 10-07-2014, 06:30 AM   #5672  
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Yeah that's a major plus. I'm a civilian with part 61 flight training, some not even at official schools. I feel that my initial flight training quality was absolutely top notch but no way to officially verify anything. I wish I would have known it mattered back then.
I don't think records verification is a big concern. Military guys have already been extensively screened by the military and are typically pretty bright. That's reason enough to hire them but a lot of employers - not just airlines - like military guys because they have sacrificed for the service of our country.

Civilian pilots get hired too, they just have to find other boxes to check.
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Old 10-07-2014, 06:45 AM   #5673  
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Why is it, that I hear the military guys struggle with training more than a 121 guys does? My buddy that just went through said it was the military guys that had a hard time and in fact delta's operations were practically identical to that of the regional airline he came from. I could definitely see the military guys showing up prepared and looking sharp for an interview so that makes sense. It's the select few 121 guys that show up that seem to give us all a bad name but I can't imagine a military guy not showing up on time and looking sharp.
My fourth 121 training (Delta) went a lot smoother than my first 121 training. In my case I've been operating in the Delta (Connection) system for most of my career. Delta procedurally was a new airplane, checklist, and slightly different manual organization. Everything is new for a military guy and they may not have the frame of reference to deal with training situations as efficiently as 121 guys.

The military guys catch up pretty quickly. I bet there is little difference by their first line check.
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It's been my overwhelming experience that nobody cares what you did before Delta. 99%+ of our guys are outstanding to work with as people and professional pilots. Your hunch is dead on.

Btw, my geography is pretty bad but I don't think Sully landed on the Potomac
Ha! Potomac, Hudson, basically the same? I had the Air Florida crash on the tip of my brain. Interestingly enough, that crash (with the erroneous EPR indications) involved a fighter FO and low-experience CA if I'm not mistaken?
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Yikes. The DC9s are all gone so how does one fail a glass-to-glass transition.
If you think the MD88 is all glass, you might find the "glass to glass" transition challenging.
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My fourth 121 training (Delta) went a lot smoother than my first 121 training. In my case I've been operating in the Delta (Connection) system for most of my career. Delta procedurally was a new airplane, checklist, and slightly different manual organization. Everything is new for a military guy and they may not have the frame of reference to deal with training situations as efficiently as 121 guys.

The military guys catch up pretty quickly. I bet there is little difference by their first line check.

Just goes to show that I don't think a 121 guy is any better than a military guy and I don't think a military guy is any better than a 121 guy. They both bring excellent backgrounds and they both seem to catch up at some point. Delta must feel a little differently about it since 40% are flow 60% are OTS guys hired and of the 60% OTS guys, 50% of those are military. So only 10% of the OTS the street guys being interviewed are civilian.
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Old 10-07-2014, 08:08 AM   #5677  
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Here is the latest on DAL hiring:

Currently hiring 85/month but looking at increasing to 100 or even 115 per month.
2014 new hire estimate – 880.
340 approved in 2015 (Jan –Apr) but we currently plan on hiring indefinitely. That is 4 months at 85/month so if we bump up hiring those numbers will probably change.
2014 hires – 51% civilian/ 37% military/ 12% combination of both.


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Here is the latest on DAL hiring:

Currently hiring 85/month but looking at increasing to 100 or even 115 per month.
2014 new hire estimate – 880.
340 approved in 2015 (Jan –Apr) but we currently plan on hiring indefinitely. That is 4 months at 85/month so if we bump up hiring those numbers will probably change.
2014 hires – 51% civilian/ 37% military/ 12% combination of both.


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Awesome! Have they ever done 115 per month?
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Awesome! Have they ever done 115 per month?
They sustained a 100 a month years ago as a much smaller airline.
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Here is the latest on DAL hiring:

Currently hiring 85/month but looking at increasing to 100 or even 115 per month.
2014 new hire estimate – 880.
340 approved in 2015 (Jan –Apr) but we currently plan on hiring indefinitely. That is 4 months at 85/month so if we bump up hiring those numbers will probably change.
2014 hires – 51% civilian/ 37% military/ 12% combination of both.

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Source? Not doubting, just hoping.
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