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Old 10-07-2014, 09:37 AM
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Apparently no true OTS hires have had any training failures. Word on the street is all training failures have been Compass flows or Endeavor SSP new hires
100% not true…..people from all walks(Mil/Civ/Flows/SSP) have busted Esv's, PV's, MVs, and LOE's. They WILL work with you if you need it and have a good attitude.
Thanks for pointing that out. I meant to say in 2014.
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Old 10-07-2014, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
Here is the latest on DAL hiring:

Currently hiring 85/month but looking at increasing to 100 or even 115 per month.
2014 new hire estimate – 880.
340 approved in 2015 (Jan –Apr) but we currently plan on hiring indefinitely. That is 4 months at 85/month so if we bump up hiring those numbers will probably change.
2014 hires – 51% civilian/ 37% military/ 12% combination of both.


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So really that's 51% civilian and 49% military. Of the 51% civilian 40% are flows/SSP.
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Old 10-07-2014, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Flycameron View Post
Just goes to show that I don't think a 121 guy is any better than a military guy and I don't think a military guy is any better than a 121 guy. They both bring excellent backgrounds and they both seem to catch up at some point. Delta must feel a little differently about it since 40% are flow 60% are OTS guys hired and of the 60% OTS guys, 50% of those are military. So only 10% of the OTS the street guys being interviewed are civilian.
Delta's core values match the military's core values: integrity, excellence, and service before self. That's why Delta has always hired more military people than civilian. We're all pilots and we can all fly an airplane. Delta is looking for people that fit their value system, which a person from the military matches exactly. It's not as apparent in a civilian person. We in the Air Force didn't get to call in sick when we didn't want to fly. We actually had to go to the flight doc and get taken off flying status. I was in a crashpad and heard the civilian stories about calling in sick to go skydiving among other things. One of the first questions I received during my Delta interview was to describe my attendance record. They're really big on that.
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Old 10-07-2014, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
Here is the latest on DAL hiring:

Currently hiring 85/month but looking at increasing to 100 or even 115 per month.
2014 new hire estimate – 880.
340 approved in 2015 (Jan –Apr) but we currently plan on hiring indefinitely. That is 4 months at 85/month so if we bump up hiring those numbers will probably change.
2014 hires – 51% civilian/ 37% military/ 12% combination of both.




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Are those military/civilian numbers only accounting for newhires? In other words remove the flowthroughs and would that be the same percentages?
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Old 10-07-2014, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cni187 View Post
Delta's core values match the military's core values: integrity, excellence, and service before self. That's why Delta has always hired more military people than civilian. We're all pilots and we can all fly an airplane. Delta is looking for people that fit their value system, which a person from the military matches exactly. It's not as apparent in a civilian person. We in the Air Force didn't get to call in sick when we didn't want to fly. We actually had to go to the flight doc and get taken off flying status. I was in a crashpad and heard the civilian stories about calling in sick to go skydiving among other things. One of the first questions I received during my Delta interview was to describe my attendance record. They're really big on that.
...and I've heard my fair share of guard/reserve pilots brag about their methodology of seniority farming and pulling orders until they're senior enough to have a decent schedule.

Note: I am a former Reservist.
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Old 10-07-2014, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cni187 View Post
Delta's core values match the military's core values: integrity, excellence, and service before self. That's why Delta has always hired more military people than civilian. We're all pilots and we can all fly an airplane. Delta is looking for people that fit their value system, which a person from the military matches exactly. It's not as apparent in a civilian person. We in the Air Force didn't get to call in sick when we didn't want to fly. We actually had to go to the flight doc and get taken off flying status. I was in a crashpad and heard the civilian stories about calling in sick to go skydiving among other things. One of the first questions I received during my Delta interview was to describe my attendance record. They're really big on that.
I suspect you're kidding us and yourself when you describe the behavior of military pilots BEFORE they get to Delta, but I have no first-hand knowledge.

As far as the distinctions you draw in Delta pilots based on background, I'd say you're either delusional, or not very observant.
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Originally Posted by Sink r8 View Post
I suspect you're kidding us and yourself when you describe the behavior of military pilots BEFORE they get to Delta, but I have no first-hand knowledge.

As far as the distinctions you draw in Delta pilots based on background, I'd say you're either delusional, or not very observant.
Well, he's exactly right about military pilots not flying when you're sick. The Air Force requires you to go to a flight surgeon prior to flying and go on DNIF status (duty not including flying). It's not just a note or a phone call to a scheduler, it's a change in your flying status and it's all documented.
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True. But in my last few assignments, if I got a cold I just told the scheduler. As long as it wasn't for more than a few days, no one cared. And saved me a trip to flight med. Especially once they canceled sick call, really got to be a pain in the butt.

Then again, no one ever called me a pigeon.
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Old 10-07-2014, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats View Post
Are those military/civilian numbers only accounting for newhires? In other words remove the flowthroughs and would that be the same percentages?

I did not ask, but those numbers reflect all pilots that were hired in 2014.

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Well, he's exactly right about military pilots not flying when you're sick. The Air Force requires you to go to a flight surgeon prior to flying and go on DNIF status (duty not including flying). It's not just a note or a phone call to a scheduler, it's a change in your flying status and it's all documented.
Sounds accurate, but my point is that I don't think what you do with respect to sick time that's tightly monitored is a good predictor of what people without someone looking over their shoulder. It also ignores the fact that many airlines have very restrictive sick policies.

The bottom line is that it's not particularly important to understand WHY Delta hires military pilots. You're either a military pilot, or you're not. So work with the cards you were dealt.

Then you get hired.

The question is whether you'll be a good Delta pilot. A douche-bag with a great résumé... is still an a douche-bag. I've flown with a lot of great people with all sorts of backgrounds, and I think it's got a lot more to do with who they consciously decide to be today, than anything else.
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