Awesome!!

And what happens when we reject this TA?

No concessions and increasing profit sharing.

Management needs this deal much more than we do.

Let's get a fair deal that is a win for the Delta pilots and Delta management.

I have no dog in this fight as well but this seems like a BIIIIIIIGGGGGG POS! The sick leave policy scares the hell out of me. They are robbing Peter to pay Paul in the pay raise category. I really don't see any real gains in this TA. For all of you DAL pilots and the rest of us industry pukes please vote no.

The email needs to add to the LCA trip pull fiasco.

It won't just effect the pilots who attempt to bid with LCA, more importantly, it will effect EVERY FO on the list because an equal number of pilots who currently hold a line will now be on reserve as the amount of flying to award is reduced by 75% of the trips the LCA bid.

How many LCA do we have total at Delta? Multiply that by .75 and you have the total number of FO's who currently hold lines who will be on reserve under C2015.

From what I understand this is just the start.

Scoop

If you guys want to be successful, tell your e-mail writers to ensure they stay fact based. Example: B737-900 ETOPS to Europe? Please. Also, if changing to block hours is a "land grab", what happens when Alitalia's EASK are pulled out of the JV next year versus what will happen under a block hour regimen? What happens as we add A330-300 to replace 7ER flying under the same premise?

Make sure they're prepared with facts as they grab the torches and pitchforks. JMO.

Slow,

I agree 100% with you. The more objective and fact based the better for everyone.

That is why I am so disappointed in the MEC. I have heard a few guys have said "We felt the Pilots should have a vote on this."

Well that would be great if they presented both the good and the bad, let the No voters provide counterpoints at the road shows etc. In other words share information, answer questions, and stop selling it like a bunch of used car salesmen.

I would have a lot more respect for DALPA if they just said something like:

Here it is guys, it has some good thing, some bad things, vote what you think is best.

Instead we get - This is awesome if you don't vote yes the evil NMB will come in the night and take your first born type of tactics.

My 2 cents - Scoop

OBTW - I voted yes open C2012 but will be voting NO shortly.

Slow, you do understand that the EASK is a MINIMUM, right? If we replace a 767 with an A330, we simply are operating more seats on DL metal, we move UP in the percentages, and by the way, the company has been BELOW THE CONTRACTUAL MINIMUM for the past 4 years!

There is NO downside to keeping our EASK language!

NONE!

Stop trying to spin it as if we have to maintain a 50% ratio, that is a MINIMUM. Heck, we could fly 100% of our JV EASK! There is NOTHING that says we can -only- fly 50%, except Richard wants us to fly as little as possible, witness the JV Grievance we just WON!

And if you want to be successful in having the MEC administration win in cramming this down pilots' throats, you'll have to do better than, "please." The FACT is that the change from EASK's to block hours specifically allows it to happen. It also allows all future growth to occur with our JV partners by them up gauging to A380's to handle the passenger growth...while we remain with 757's and 737-900ER's. Under this scenario of A380's for the Euro's and narrow bodies for Delta pilots, Delta will be in balance because the JV language now only cares about aircraft block hours...REGARDLESS of aircraft type or number of seats.

There is nothing in writing about Alitalia leaving. Nothing. Alitalia has only said they intend to leave in 2017.

Where does it say in this TA that the company will do that?

The facts are in the actual TA language. Our challenge will be to refute the falsehoods told by the MEC administration during the road shows as they attempt to deflect from the facts in the TA language. That's why I think attending road shows are a waste of time except to maybe picket them outside. Picketing outside would allow for passing out leaflets showing the actual TA language as all the fact-based evidence you need to vote NO.

Carl

Give us the facts here. Does switching to block hours put management back into compliance immediately?

It does. That's not arguable. Changing the measuring metric to block hours removes all past or future violations that were EASK based.

Carl