Just changed the mind of a "yes" voting CA over the past two days. No hyperbole, just the facts, unemotionally. It was the Scope that got him. Surprisingly, the Sick and the LCA/OE trip bidding was OK with him. For us "no" voters, this was big. He was an HVC million miler to DALPA.

I ran across 3 captains today that are all giddy about how good the deal is. All three said they didn't care about the LCA trips being pulled. "Shouldn't get paid to do nothing anyways" is what one said. All three said they were glad about the sick leave because it will force the abusers to stop abusing sick time. 2 of them had no clue what a DHS was when I mentioned it. Some of these guys are totally clueless about what they support.

If we want this to be voted down, we still have a lot of guys to convince the deal stinks. I wasn't going to go to a roadshow to listen to the sales job, but we all need to turn out on droves or the only topics that will be covered are the two good points of the TA. You know they aren't going to bring up the concessions unless someone in the audience throws them out.

This is going to be an up-hill battle... well done!

Many captains will look out for number one. Not everyone is interested in the greater good. That said, there's a bunch of stuff that will certainly screw captains in this TA. I would detail those items when speaking with them.

I'm a 57 year old captain and voting no. I know many that are deadzoners like me that are fed up and are voting no as well. This is the easiest no vote in my 25 plus years.

Delta TA, the ultimate irony
 

Well I believe it violates hipaa law. But I'm not sure if this can be nullified by agreeing to alternative terms in a CBA.




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I take it you were in Atlanta.

But this is why MEC members who saw the deal as bad shouldn't throw it out to memory rat.

Maybe the JV language is the way to go, the other stuff won't matter because the folks like Rocky mentioned are not FOs and they're not sick and view the Lca and sick stuff as cheats and abusers.

But taking away wb flying and letting MD alone decide to sign off on an outsourced Shanghai Delta Air Lines flying WBs for us....

Maybe they should give up their pay when they underblock a leg? Or maybe when the daily average gar kicks in? Or maybe on a IROP or reroute where they lose flying, but not pay? After all they aren't working! :rolleyes: