Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1906568)

That's true. It does "unsell" itself.

Speaking of fairness, I don't always act juvenile around here, which is what I feel you are implying. And I am hardly the only one who can act that way.

Fwiw, a far better approach...to me...would be to say something like...

"SayAlt, you are clearly a savvy and well-spoken guy. I think you would be far more effective sticking to the facts than engaging in what I see as juvenile responses. I, for one, would take you far more seriously if you did, and I want to do that. We NEED your voice here, just not the antics."

This is what I feel you are genuinely trying to say. But instead you attempted shaming. I dont' respond well to shaming. At all. Especially when I don't feel I have anything to be ashamed of.
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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1905980)

And 4 other reps said they didn't like the TA, but they wanted the pilots to turn it down.

It never should have passed, but for the hard sell Donatelli gave them.

Now it's up to US to send it back.

Originally Posted by Fish on (Post 1908281)

Timbo,
The question at the MEC vote was not "are you in favor of the TA" but "are you in favor of sending to the membership for a vote".

A big difference..

Originally Posted by Fish on (Post 1908294)

Where is the video of MD losing it?

Originally Posted by Fish on (Post 1908281)

Timbo,
The question at the MEC vote was not "are you in favor of the TA" but "are you in favor of sending to the membership for a vote".

A big difference..

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1908339)

So why have an MEC vote at all?

What is the purpose of having LEC Representatives if not to Represent the Will of their Pilots?

If they don't know what their pilots will or will not accept, are they doing their job? No, they are passing the buck.

If this TA were truly "Historic" in a good way, the MEC vote would have been 19-0 in favor and we'd all be singing and dancing right now. Instead we are going to the hardware store looking for pitchforks, tar, feathers and a rail.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1908339)

So why have an MEC vote at all?

What is the purpose of having LEC Representatives if not to Represent the Will of their Pilots?

If they don't know what their pilots will or will not accept, are they doing their job? No, they are passing the buck.

If this TA were truly "Historic" in a good way, the MEC vote would have been 19-0 in favor and we'd all be singing and dancing right now. Instead we are going to the hardware store looking for pitchforks, tar, feathers and a rail.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1908339)

So why have an MEC vote at all?

What is the purpose of having LEC Representatives if not to Represent the Will of their Pilots?

If they don't know what their pilots will or will not accept, are they doing their job? No, they are passing the buck.

If this TA were truly "Historic" in a good way, the MEC vote would have been 19-0 in favor and we'd all be singing and dancing right now. Instead we are going to the hardware store looking for pitchforks, tar, feathers and a rail.