Delta TA med verification
 

https://www.sedgwick.com/claims/Pages/disabilityabsence.aspx


This is your new friend when you vote yes

" but they also treat each employee with compassion and respect, and act as an advocate for their overall health and wellness during the disability or leave process."

Hey, they are *your* side....says so right on their website. It MUST be true. :eek:

This is who the FAs have to go through for absences over XYZ or OJI. I know of one particular FA who came down with the flu on a trip and spent the extra night in a hotel. Sedgwick had her running through all kinds of hoops because an illness abroad is treated as an OJI. Numerous statements, coordination between a supervisor and an overall PIA experience. Sedgwick is NOTHING we want a part of.

There will be no third party vendor for verification.
That is false.

Then it should be easy for DALPA to get that in writing.

Just something simple that says "Delta Air Lines will never use a third party sick leave adminstrator."

Until then, "we don't think they'll do that" is totally inadequate--it's nothing more than the professor's opinion.

Professor, in response to my post below, you just told me on the Delta TA thread that you can't confirm that. So I think your statement here needs to be adjusted to say "I don't know the answer to that", or something to that effect.

Not exactly how it's written in the TA.

1) The medical release window could be anytime the DHS is unable to make a determination based on the information you've provided. Even if you haven't met the threshold. That's subjective, and totally up to them.

2) The release can then be expanded, again totally subjective and solely at the DHS discretion, to include an exam by a company picked doctor, and the Vice President of Flight Operations. No doctor will take the time to redact impertinent health information from the results of the written release. That includes social history, medications, health issues, and as soon as the FAA releases the new regs, your mental health records. Good luck getting any of that redacted.

Again, "or his designee" could be anyone. It most certainly could be a third party. I'm sorry, but "The company told us" is not a contractual obligation.

Most major corporations, S&P500 we're talking, use third party verification. Time Warner, AT&T, and so on. We are already using it for a large portion of our own employees. What in this TA prevents that from happening? The answer: Nothing. We agree to allow an unspecified 'designee' to evaluate our health and our sick leave usage.

At this point in time I think the TA credibility bird has flown the coop. Unless it says specifically in writing a third-party vendor won't be used I don't believe it.

I agree with PD on this one.

Fair enough.

There is no plan. There is no understanding that leads us to believe that this will be anyone other than DHS.

Both the union and company understand it to be an internal company transaction.

Thanks flyallnite. You are correct.

Look. You guys can conspiracy away all you want.

You don't like the answer I'm giving you.
Fine.

That is your prerogative. Completely.

Please ask contract admin and have everyone ask at roadshows as well.

Thanks.

Professer,

Ill ask at a roadshow and I really do want to believe you......

BUT, where is Delta getting the manpower for the new work that DHS will be doing (I've asked but no one has answered yet). It's farmer logic (vs black helicopters) that it's a vendor.

That's my only question, asked on the DALPA website and not answered there either.

Ferd

whoa, whoa, whoa.

You encouraged us to get the "facts" about the TA. The FACT is, there is NOTHING in the TA that specifically prohibits a third party administrator. The TA languate makes it much, much easier for a thrid party to administer the program by permitting some large loopholes regarding the release of our medical records..

You telling us "we don't think they'll do that" is NOT A FACT.

It's not a "conspiracy" to question squishy language and brainstorm worst-case scenarios; on the contrary, it's exactly what needs to happen to fully vet this POS.

Drank always a pleasure.

I was asked a question. I asked up the chain to people who know.

That's the answer. Take it or leave it.

There is also nothing that allows a third party vendor. At all.

Delusional rhetoric is not the order of the day.
If there is a question you have, I'll get it answered.

Is there anything that would prohibit a 3rd party vendor?

Please ask contract admin as well but I'm asking once more.

I'll be back.

Thanks Professor...........I see you're hot and heavy on the other thread (now that I've caught up)

This......

I think we're thinking along the same lines:eek::cool:

"The DHS or his designee". That right there allows a third party. You + DHS + his designee = three.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.Mqq...9&rs=0&p=0&r=0

Exactly. Professor you've been assigned one demerit.


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We have a similar system at ExpressJet to track absences. It uses FMLA criteria to determine whether an absence is excused. There is almost absolute disapproval, not because the absence doesn't qualify but because t's and i's haven't been dotted and crossed. You normally have to follow up and appeal to get an absence approved.

They also used to out-source the function to an "objective" third party; F and H solutions. We are all familiar with them.

Do not allow them to enact this abysmal policy on you.

Professor,

Do you think Delta Health Services (DHS) and Delta Air Lines are the same company?

I don't know.

Professor,

I am assuming that is your answer to my question WRT DHS and Delta being the same company.

IMO, they are not. They are a third party that just happens to be owned by Delta. Delta Air Lines just happened to have the smarts to put "Delta" in the name to make it look and feel like it's the same. Sort of like painting the RJ's to look like our jets.

When Delta decided to start up a third party to verify pilot sick leave they could have called it Mumbai Medical. The functioning of the company could be identical to DHS. However, the name would have been a tip off to even the most comatose kool-aid drinker.

They are a spin off for a reason.

We should be dealing with our employer for these issues.

This is all conjecture.

We are being told it's a company function.

This is all I can offer.

Go to those who crafted this TA and bring back a definitive answer. You are getting paid to come here. If you cannot bring valid, inclusive information and are only interested in pushing your agenda (trying to get this TA to pass) as a representative of DALPA, you should not be allowed to come here. This is not DALPA's person propaganda website.

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It is conjecture. Would love to be wrong about this issue. Would like to see no changes to our sick policy, but if we do decide to go down this road I think we should be fully informed WRT DHS. What is the department number for DHS? thx.

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