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Old 07-05-2015, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain View Post
Middle seat DH pay?

WOW what is that?
That's kind of like how they can log in and request which crew meal they want for the next day's flight.
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Old 07-05-2015, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by thinkstraight View Post
ALPA national doesn't want us to have a good contract that United cannot match or exceed. ALPA is afraid of losing United to a different union if Delta gets a strong contract.

ALPA is looking out for ALPA.................
Well. At least that would solve the "Why?" equation.
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Originally Posted by bohicagain View Post
Middle seat DH pay?

WOW what is that?
50% add pay (150% total pay) for sitting in a middle seat at the company's direction.
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Old 07-05-2015, 05:25 PM
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Sounds to me this is a Vice chair of a council, not the United MEC vice chair. Big difference. Correct me if I'm wrong...
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Originally Posted by sweptback View Post
50% add pay (150% total pay) for sitting in a middle seat at the company's direction.
So we negotiated the scrappy parts of United Contract but not the good things?
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Originally Posted by newKnow View Post
This is the part that refers to us, rube...

Any comment on that?
How about, "when was the last time UAL had a better contract than delta?" If that guy is so smart, how come the best he can do is copy our contract hook line and sinker? But only by being a year behind us. They got one third the bankruptcy returns as delta, no merger stock, no JCBA for three years and after all that failure the best they could do was to trail delta by a year. Yes, let's take that guys advice.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
Well. At least that would solve the "Why?" equation.
And stand by for FDX to close a deal significantly better than POSTA15 right after the vote. Which meant it was being finalized at the same time as DALs both under ALPA.

SWA is going to close their deal too, and if this thing passes, the are going to be some yes voters feeling real dumb. Although all yes voters should feel that way now.
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Old 07-05-2015, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bananie View Post
How about, "when was the last time UAL had a better contract than delta?" If that guy is so smart, how come the best he can do is copy our contract hook line and sinker? But only by being a year behind us. They got one third the bankruptcy returns as delta, no merger stock, no JCBA for three years and after all that failure the best they could do was to trail delta by a year. Yes, let's take that guys advice.
They're the same group that signed off on the LCA OE thing too. I believe in bankruptcy.

So we shou... wait, if they suck, why are we trying to match their OE provisions in their chapter 11 contract? I don't think we're in chapter 11, are we? We're like the complete opposite of Chapter 11. So why are we matching them in that regard?
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Originally Posted by Bananie View Post
How about, "when was the last time UAL had a better contract than delta?" If that guy is so smart, how come the best he can do is copy our contract hook line and sinker? But only by being a year behind us. They got one third the bankruptcy returns as delta, no merger stock, no JCBA for three years and after all that failure the best they could do was to trail delta by a year. Yes, let's take that guys advice.
Sadly,

The Delta MEC is endorsing a contract that "pattern bargins DOWN to UAL".

I say:

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Originally Posted by Bananie View Post
How about, "when was the last time UAL had a better contract than delta?" If that guy is so smart, how come the best he can do is copy our contract hook line and sinker? But only by being a year behind us. They got one third the bankruptcy returns as delta, no merger stock, no JCBA for three years and after all that failure the best they could do was to trail delta by a year. Yes, let's take that guys advice.
Interesting. You and the DALPA spin machine use their contract as a comparison when calling the TA "industry leading" but you clearly think it's substandard. So are you admitting that "industry leading" is another way of saying a "race for last place"? Could it be that when the DALPA spin machine peddles fear of the NMB's treatment of our TA in context of the rest of the industry, we are not talking apples to apples in the business sense? Are the industry standards products of a compromised economic and business environments for AA and UAL, whereas our contract is negotiated in an environment in which the company doesn't blink an eye at throwing around $6 billion?
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