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BobZ 08-20-2015 05:38 AM

So he begins with the admission there were errors and mistakes made by those responsible for the creation and process to ratify the rejected ta.

everything else is he complains about is entirely unimportant....because had he and those in control not made those 'errors and mistakes'.....its likely the ta would have been acceptable to the majority of pilots and have passed.

and there would have been no reason for 'comical and erroneous' comments on social media.

Carl Spackler 08-20-2015 06:23 AM

There is only one reason Randy resigned and that is the amount by which the vote to hold a recall election went against him. Hazzard's recall vote was missed by 8 votes, but he would have certainly lost if a full election had been held. When you lose a recall vote as bad as Randy did, he had no chance to win the base-wide election and he knew it. He only resigned to save face. His letter was a disgraceful way for him to end his DALPA career.

Carl

Check Essential 08-20-2015 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1953149)
There is only one reason Randy resigned and that is the amount by which the vote to hold a recall election went against him. Hazzard's recall vote was missed by 8 votes, but he would have certainly lost if a full election had been held. When you lose a recall vote as bad as Randy did, he had no chance to win the base-wide election and he knew it. He only resigned to save face. His letter was a disgraceful way for him to end his DALPA career.

Carl

Atlanta will be the same way. The real battle is at the meeting.
If it goes to the full C44 membership they will lose big and they know it.

The 4 reps are working hard to get their allies to that meeting carrying proxies.

Its all going to depend on how many pro-recall pilots show up.

poostain 08-20-2015 08:25 AM

Man that was a tough read. So much blame and so little personal accountability.:mad: At least he is gone:)

300SMK 08-20-2015 08:57 AM

We need leadership like Malone and time to reflect. We need to determine how ALPA got to where it was and how do we prevent it from happening again.

pilotc90a 08-20-2015 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by 300SMK (Post 1953299)
We need leadership like Malone and time to reflect. We need to determine how ALPA got to where it was and how do we prevent it from happening again.

Speaking of JM, here is what he posted on FB for those who don't partake:

To: Delta MEC
From: Captain John Malone
Subject: A Path Forward
Gentlemen,
I’ve spoken to most of you recently and hope to hear from all of you before the election for MEC Chairman. Your candid input is appreciated. As promised, I’d like to offer my vision for a path forward for the MEC to regain the trust of the pilots.
The pilots are demanding action and change, and I’m convinced the MEC has the capacity to deliver under strong leadership with an actionable plan. Whether I’m elected as your Chairman or you chose someone else to lead you and the pilot group, I offer the following steps as a path forward:
Communications must be completely transparent
Allow our MEC budget to be accessible to all members without restrictions
All ALPA business must be above reproach
Create an Ethics Committee to address any ethics issues that arise for ALPA representatives, committee members or volunteers
Ensure no pilot on FPL has any financial advantage over line pilots
Disengage from attacking DPA
These are our fellow pro-union brothers and sisters
Harness their enthusiasm for change to our collective benefit
Focus on improving our ALPA business model and we won’t need to fear competition
A successful TA with a functioning, responsive MEC will render alternative representation efforts pointless
Live stream all MEC Meetings in Open Session
Social Media is here to stay
Pilots are now live blogging; let’s make this easier for everyone to see the serious business we conduct on their behalf
Minimize moving to Closed Session as much a possible
Have ALPA E&FA provide a rough costing of the pilot group’s concessions over the last decade for use as the negotiating committee needs
Establish a broad ranging PR campaign
Educate the pilots, management and the traveling public regarding the huge sacrifices of the pilot group to help position Delta as the leader it is today
Highlight our professionalism in day to day operations
Augment our Negotiating Committee with outside professionals, just as we did for C2K
To the maximum extent possible, MEC and Company table positions should be shared with the pilot group throughout the process
Ensures they have ownership of the final product
Allows the MEC to use instant line feedback to repel management overreaching
Clarify the Policy Manual to ensure the MEC first approves any TA before sending it to the membership. Then avoid high pressure sales- the pilots are adults and can make up their own minds
When sections of any new contract are agreed to in principle, first present that language to the MEC, then post on the ALPA web page for all pilots to view
Release the TA details to the MEC and the pilot group simultaneously so they may provide input to the reps during their seven day window
Reinstitute the Pro/Con paper
Reorganize P2P back to a primarily volunteer force (little to no FPL)
P2P should be on receive mode, and when in transmit, transmit only facts
Post-TA information sharing
A good contract will sell itself
Elected representatives should be the primary source of contact with the pilots in the crew rooms for questions and answers
Use modern day technologies to get accurate information to the pilots at a fraction of the cost
In light of our Profit Sharing originating as mitigation for loss of our pensions, take steps to remove dues from Profit Sharing payouts
And, while we’re doing all of the above, get the pilots a contract they can all be proud of. No one ever imagined Delta making $4 Billion, $5 Billion or, as some predict, $10 Billion in profits. Despite the chaos created by the rejected TA, you still have the tools to make the Delta pilots the envy of the industry once again and you have the power to make the changes the pilots demand if you exercise the courage to do so. Change isn’t easy, but it’s necessary. The pilots have spoken.
If you’re ready to roll up your sleeves and get to work – together – I am ready to serve.
In the meantime, I will provide one more letter prior to the election to address specific concerns you’ve raised in my conversations with you.
Please feel free to contact me should you have any questions. In the interest of transparency, a copy of this letter will be sent to the pilot group via the ALPA email system.
Fraternally,
John Malone

Timbo 08-20-2015 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1953161)
Atlanta will be the same way. The real battle is at the meeting.
If it goes to the full C44 membership they will lose big and they know it.

The 4 reps are working hard to get their allies to that meeting carrying proxies.

Its all going to depend on how many pro-recall pilots show up.

I'm already carrying 4 proxies, one extra to hand off to someone who doesn't yet have 3.

If you are ATL C44 and can't make it to the Sept. 4 meeting (a Friday on a holiday weekend, any doubt they picked that for a lower turnout?) be sure you get your proxy printed up an contact ilinipilot here, or on Chit Chat, he will hook you up with someone who can bring it to the meeting.

Here's the contact info from Ilinipilot's post : Recall 44 thread above:

Hello Fellow members
It is time we make a hard decision and recall our leadership. I value their accessibility and dedication to us but I and many others feel it is time for a change nothing personal.
If you support recall of our council and would like your vote counted please e-mail [email protected], or check out the FB group RECALL Council 44.
If you have any questions you can PM me and I will be happy to answer them. I am compiling a list of pilots who are supportive of recall so when and if a meeting is called we can be ready.
My thought is to use the list to match up people who will attend the meeting with proxies. And if you cannot attend and need help finding a proxy we can match you up.
Thanks for staying engaged.

LET'S DO THIS! ;)

notEnuf 08-20-2015 11:03 AM

1912 MOTION #03 (AI 15-15 S A) Maker: Hamilton Second: Hazzard

WHEREAS the Delta MEC Negotiating Committee reached a tentative agreement with the Company for Contract 2015 on June 04, 2015, and

WHEREAS the full language of the tentative agreement has been provided to the Delta MEC for a seven day period for review, consideration and discussion, and WHEREAS the Delta MEC has determined that the membership is entitled to vote on ratification of this tentative agreement,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Delta MEC approves submitting this tentative agreement reached with Delta Air Lines for membership ratification.

Passed: 11 For/8 Against/0 Abstain

This is the only official account we get. There is no discussion details about the resolutions meaning or if a "recommendation for" resolution was discussed and rejected. Closed sessions are a cancer!

Doug Madsen 08-20-2015 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1952831)
After the month or so that has passed, the only misleading material I have come across, from the start of the TA sales job, originated from our union!

YHGTBSM!

Read Randy's letter, and then please respond to ANY of the allegations he made regarding Council communiques that were grossly inaccurate.

I'll be waiting.

notEnuf 08-20-2015 08:27 PM

21.5% raises were a huge misrepresentation and the only thing they wanted to talk about. $1.1B over the life of the contract was/is as well.


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