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Old 11-04-2015, 09:35 AM
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Take the survey. You are an idiot if you don't. No matter what you say what's important is participation. We showed a 97% participation in the last TA vote. We need to show the company we are engaged and not willing to let our fight for restoration die. Have you guys seen the 2004 payrates? Well if you haven't you should look them up... there's a thread on chit chat with them posted, maybe someone can post them here... you'd be disgusted.

Take the survey. It does matter. The time is now to push for what we gave up 11 years ago. Don't be a puss. Do it.

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I agree, stay involved. There are a few areas on they survey to comment and make your position know.

The rates are posted here:

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Old 11-04-2015, 10:09 AM
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I did...albeit a bit begrudgingly.

Numerous reminders were left on not repeating the sales job in the comments.
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Originally Posted by Tailhookah View Post
Take the survey. You are an idiot if you don't. No matter what you say what's important is participation. We showed a 97% participation in the last TA vote. We need to show the company we are engaged and not willing to let our fight for restoration die. Have you guys seen the 2004 payrates? Well if you haven't you should look them up... there's a thread on chit chat with them posted, maybe someone can post them here... you'd be disgusted.

Take the survey. It does matter. The time is now to push for what we gave up 11 years ago. Don't be a puss. Do it.

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Pay rates are nice but I always thought what was more important was the total taxable amount at the end of the year. I made 25% more under contract 2012 than I did in 2004. I flew roughly the same 970 hard hours and my pay rate was similar as I moved up in equipment (76ER to 777) but everything else was equal. Pay rates are very important but they aren't everything. There is lots of dinero to be found outside of pay rates.
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Old 11-04-2015, 12:49 PM
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Notice the survey only mentions DECREASING or TRADING profit sharing/sick leave/work rules.

Here's something to blow everyone's mind: What if we actually lobbied for an INCREASE in profit sharing/sick leave/work rules?!

I only mention it to highlight the concessionary tone being set here. I also don't agree with forcing every pilot to answer "Do you think the company would ever agree to XYZ?" because it implies that the person asking the question (the MEC) thinks that the company would not.
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Old 11-04-2015, 03:43 PM
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Is there a way to insert gifs?







No. Seriously. I will do it. As soon as I can but I'm studying for CQ.


















































Which really means I'm just cleaning my room. And after that, I'll find something else to do.
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I am leaning towards 8/6/3/3.

And lots, and lots, and lots, and lots of soft money and staffing increases. Save face and all. I'm looking for ways to do it.
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I am leaning towards 8/6/3/3.

And lots, and lots, and lots, and lots of soft money and staffing increases. Save face and all. I'm looking for ways to do it.
8/6/3/3
Training paid 5:15 per day
Vacation day worth 5:15
Extra vacation week
Per diem increased by $2 domestic, $2.50 international plus 3% annual increases
Sick leave stays the same (maybe no GS on footprint of original sick leave trip)
Increase in DC plan
LCA trips stay in bid pack with recovery flying subject to report/release rules and gets paid as a WS above the dropped trip (GS if a GS went out junior to the released pilot)
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Read this to get an understanding of the current environment before you take the survey. Remember with weak PRASM over the last 6 months, Delta produced the highest ever industry profits. As PRASM recovers profitability grows and is sustainable without low cost fuel.

Delta Air Lines, Inc. Gets Closer to a Revenue Recovery -- The Motley Fool
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter View Post
15/10/5/5
PS Stays the same
Program to guarantee 60% FAE
Training paid 6:00 per day
Vacation day worth 6:00
Extra vacation week
Per diem increased by $2 domestic, $2.50 international plus 5% annual increases
Sick leave stays the same (maybe no GS on footprint of original sick leave trip)
Increase in DC plan
LCA trips stay in bid pack with recovery flying subject to report/release rules and gets paid as a WS above the dropped trip (GS if a GS went out junior to the released pilot)
See if you see where I fixed it for you. After we achieve all this, then we can talk about proactive engagement. Until then, RESTORATION plus inflation plus retirement.

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