Phone Polling
 

I just did the phone survey. It was all about how much I was willing to give up in each area. Totally concessionary feeling. I think there was one question regarding increases and a bunch of other questions regarding trades.

"The company has made sick leave a negotiating priority"

Same for profit sharing, productivity, 76 seaters etc. cool, let's solve more company problems.

So were are still stuck at trades and giving stuff up. Wonderfull.

Survey over all was an F, but I'm am sure it will be a self fulfilling prophecy to the MEC. Why aren't these clowns asking me what improvements I want to the contract instead of asking how to tweak NFWTA2015?

It seems JM hasn't changed the strategy or the direction. It's a shame. Communicating directly with the reps is required.

I know exactly what I'm willing to give up for this next contract. It's a very easy answer.

I'm willing to give up a month or two of pay to stand curbside in my uniform holding a sign that says "No more concessions".

If there are 50% willing to do the same, I'm the +1 that will put us over the top. How many of you are also willing to be the +1 that puts us in a position of strength during negotiations? The company underestimated us when they sent NA15, lets make sure they don't underestimate our resolve to secure a fair contract. The stronger and more unified we are, the quicker we get a contract we have earned.

With you +1

I hope that's premature. I think we should give JM a chance before we say he's changed the direction.

As do I, but the wording of the polling questions are telling.

Keep in mind, the old guard who have been using our union as their personal playground and launching board for "bigger and better things" are still in large part running this union.

Prior to Malone getting elected they had already decided to do the polling. One thing the bad actors have said is the vote was voted down because they didn't know how to combat the Social Media. Guess what? They just hired a social media expert (to spam their talking points and try to regain control of the "message"). I'll give you one guess who likely wrote the questions for this polling and why it has slanted questions much like the survey did. Hint: he dodged recall and is based in Cincinnati.

Now to those still holding out hope, we saw a guy running for MEC Chair use the word Restoration....hope was alive! We were thinking he can turn this place around. He didn't have the votes to be elected but alas, at last second he did. Ho-ray!!.............................................


Then he stopped using the word Restoration. He's letting company propaganda (Deltanet press releases that are not accurate, and SD video footage from SEA meeting that would make disinformation Bob from Iraq proud) go unchecked....and the bogus polling.

WHERE IS MALONE?? I realize they are having meetings, he is building his nest and elections are taking place but he needs to walk and chew gum at the same time. Hate to say this guys, but the relative silence is telling. So is substituting the words "plus" in lieu of Restoration. Hope I'm wrong about this but from the early stages, Malone seems to have been assimilated by the Borg.

He should shut down the bogus polling and put out something to combat the propaganda management is floating. He needs to firmly grab Buzz by the collar and tell him who's running the show now. He needs to communicate that we aren't putting lipstick on a pig but will use Fedex's entire contract (including pension) and work rules from other contracts that are superior to ours as the starting point to level up from. Short of that, it really is time for DPA. Seriously.

FWIW Malone did use the word "restoration" at the LAX council 16 meeting.
Lets give him a chance, support him, and see what happens. :)

Scoop

To add insult to injury, we have Heiko on the negotiating committee, who it appears is committed to the lipstick on a pig campaign.

If the place cannot be purged through recall/elections and some form of restoration leadership step up, we need to level the whole cockroach infested place the only way we can, start fresh with a real union with bylaws that empower the membership and make it more difficult for the bad actors to slime their way in.

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Heiko was against TA-15. I talked to him and e-mailed him numerous times during the TA debacle - I have 100% confidence in him.

Scoop

OK thanks for that. I championed him when he was running. I want to be a believer things can change. There just seems to be too many bad things still going on even after he took the helm. The biggest problem, when we are presented with another turd and he uses the bogus polling as belched by the new social media specialist to "get to yes".... more time will have been wasted and some guys will say we are too far in the process to turn back now. Let's go around prior to 1000 or even 5000 if multiple failures are popping up.

He needs to take some decisive action soon or he will lose confidence of the 65%. He cannot let the BS go unchecked.

On a separate note, we DO NOT need Richard attending MEC meetings at this point! Is Buzz inviting him?

There was a poll on the CC forum regarding a warmed over POS15. He didn't know it was a public poll apparently. He voted yes on that poll. When questioned about it, he tucked tail and disappeared. Make no mistake, although Heiko voted no, he is very friendly with the old guard way of thinking.

Fair enough, but lets give these guys a chance. I think we are in good hands. Lets see what happens in C44.

Scoop

Will hang on a little longer, but not much longer. If Malone doesn't decisively show through words and actions he's in charge (wrestling control from Buzz and his henchmen), mapping a blueprint for restoration (not using phrases like "getting to yes"), it will be time to move on and not look back.

For the record, "yes" comes when the correct product is presented, not through a sales campaign lowering expectations to make a lemon look marginally good enough and "we'll get em next time". Let's not play those games any longer. Correct product = Restoration and better than Fedex in every category. Fedex as a corporation is making a fraction of what Delta is. Delta pilots need to quit staring at their feet, believe in themselves and demand a fair compensation, an industry leading compensation!

Malone was no good during his last tenure and I don't see how this time will be any different.......I have been around ALPA for 25 years and have always been disappointed.

The sick leave language, that included the ability for the company to check our medical records, was negotiated for 2012. That was Heiko's baby. He and Uvena on the NC do not give me great confidence. It is more of the same. But I hope that they surprise me. In a good way.

These boys are all the same. Anyone say any different is drunk on kool-aid or immersed in the seductive stockholm syndrome.

I hope I can wake up from this dream and realize I am wrong.


TEN

You are wrong.... especially when you say such gems as "here is my statement and if you disagree you drink the kool-aid or are a Stockholm Syndrome waif."

Nice willingness to tolerate any view other than your own....

You wait and see. Again, I hope I am wrong.

TEN

PS. I have noticed you get really defensive when anyone criticizes Heiko. Too bad, he put himself in a position to be critiqued. I for one think he is a great person. I just do not want him negotiating for me.

Well C2000 certainly had some shortcomings, Scope comes to mind, but overall it was acceptable to a very, very large percentage of the DAL Pilots.

More importantly DALPA was a lot more aggressive in its approach back then vs. the timid approach we have just seen on the last TA.

No one can guarantee any certain result but we should at least have a union that will fight hard on our behalf.

The fact that some guys seem to think our only option is to take whatever management offers really boggles my mind.

Scoop :confused:

Yes, especially when the company is making historic profits every quarter, and using it to buy back stock! Last quarter, that's 90 days, Delta made nearly double what they made in the whole year of 2001, when we signed C2K, yet we are still being asked to give concessions to fund 3% pay raises.

Un-Be-Frick'n-Lieveable.

I have seen Malone in action before and I do not believe this time is going to be any different I'm very sorry to say he is not the answer. Alpa must go!

Online polling is now open:

https://dal.alpa.org/

Is the term "modification" synonymous with concession? I would like "modifications" to multiple sections of the contract that strengthen our PWA.

I'm afraid that if I answer yes to any "modification" questions it will be seen as willingness for concessions. For example I would be agreeable to modifications to JV that puts 75% of flying in the hands of Delta pilots. I am not agreeable to a modification that sacrifices one seat, one mile or one pound of cargo under a JV.

Agreed. That is why I had to answer no to all of the phone polling questions that used that word. And I said I would strike for all of them. ALPA is either prepping us for round two of concessions, or has been proactive for so long they forgot how to build a survey.

The new admin is using the same third party survey guy the appeasers used.

That's a problem. It's easy to write a survey to get the answers you want (or you think your client wants).

Yes. To anyone. As in, no password required. :eek:

What are you talking about? I had to log in with both my ALPA number and my password.

On the slanting of the questions, I spent a lot of time explaining my answers in the comments boxes after many of the questions. My bottom line was NO MORE CONCESSIONS and RESTORE US TO PRE-BANKRUPTCY PAY/RETIEMENT BENEFITS!

The company just made $2 Billion in the past 90 days, which is TWICE the 3 year combined vale of the failed TA.:rolleyes:

The time for restoration is NOW!

I'm glad you had the roll eyes on the value of the failed TA.:cool:

Disregard. It automatically logged me in now. Yesterday no password was required.

Survey link isn't working.

I can't access it either.

Denny

Still not working.
Guess our input isn't exactly valued.

Alright ALPA here it is. A LOT of my FO's are sitting on thier DPA cards now. They say there are waiting to see what the next TA has to offer. They realize that thier card could be the one that puts DPA over its necessary %.
Better get this one right.

Try this direct URL
http://www.surveysoftware.net/hostal/DALMECNov2015.htm

Worked for me yesterday when ALPA link didn't.

The above link should work.

Thanks, that works.

Denny