SD TA discussion
 

I watched his base visit discussion regarding the TA a few days ago. It's on DeltaNet.

It was sickening. He's obviously attemting to negotiate around ALPA.

I recommend we all watch it. He is NOT our friend.

Make it a drinking game. Take a sip every time he makes a disingenuous or misleading statement.

If you heard the same statement from DALPA during the sales job, take two sips.

You'll be falling out of your chair by time he starts talking about profit sharing. You'll pass out by the end.

SD TA discussion
 

He makes quite a point about how just a few abuse SL and why wouldn't we rather see that money distributed back to the pilots. What I missed was the calculated value of SL abuse and how much of our "raise" could be attributed to redistributing SL gains.

After PS swaps and the shuffling of SL dollars, our "raise" looks even smaller.

I played PD's drinkin game......

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We will function better as a UNION, when we learn to accept this: Management is and never was our friend.

In any Business 101 class or first Managerial job, they instill upon you that you are not to patronize with your help.

It is one of the most common traits and tools taught in BUSINESS. I know what Management is here to do and I do not fault them. I actually praise them for succeeding in most of their ventures with us and I completely am awwed by how many employees feel like RA is their buddy.

Knowing the above, will help you not take Management's offerings of TAs like 2015 personal.

TEN

Cool. Why does he still have a seniority number then?

I went to the LAX base visit and I personally witnessed SD saying that RA had remorse over the TA after it was agreed to by the NC, saying that RA felt that he had offered us TOO MUCH MONEY. My jaw dropped. I cannot believe he tried to pull that on us. I don't think anyone in the room bought that tactic, but it was uncalled for. It was a lie. And I don't like when my boss lies to me.

Did anyone call him on his s--t or did everyone act like the typical pacifist pilot?

Base visits aren't the forum for pilots to be negotiating, or speaking about negotiations with Management (pilots). I think it was extremely unprofessional of S.D. to bring it up.

Couldn't disagree more. Have ZERO respect for the individual.

Understanding who the messenger works for helps one understand the message.

The professional thing to do was to let him finish his presentation. It would have been a moot conversation anyway, but I think this was important for us to witness firsthand. A lot of pilots still dont know he sits on the company side of the negotiating table.

It's actually a great opportunity for the line pilots to show their resolve and ask him the tough questions, like, "How's YOUR retirement plan funding?", and, "When are you going to RESTORE OUR RETIREMENT FUNDING?", and, "Why should we give away profit sharing, BEFORE you have RESTORED us to our pre-bankruptcy pay rates and retirement funding?"

I wonder what you get for a retirement package as VP of flight ops? Didn't Cal's super duper super scab Debby McCoy get $10M package? That was what I thought I heard.

Ask about executive stock options while you're at it. They hand them out like candy on Halloween.

SD has his golden ticket, he will never go back to the line. He is just a company lawyer that happens to fly once in a while for photo ops.

While I completely disagree with his take on this stuff, I've flown with him, and he's a very sharp pilot.

How bout when you get as much time on the line as him, you qualify for a company funded pension.

Well JG was running the SLC road show and the first 30 minutes were about the TA. Same as the LA stuff. He said they are just trying to do the right thing by taking the value of the abuse and inefficiencies out of our current TA and distributing that value to all the pilots so not just a few get the benefit. I thought I was in a DALPA road show about the TA.....sounded exactly like the TA roadshows.

He doesn't believe this stuff if he's a sharp guy. It's like the beatings will continue until morale improves.

Fixed it for you, as SD would see it.

He might be a sharp individual, but he is against us. He's not our friend and he wants to see us paid as little as possible. I'll even go as far as saying he's our enemy. We need to understand that.

I don't disagree with that... read the post I quoted- they were accusing that he doesn't fly because he's not good/sharp/scared. That's absolutely not the case.

Look at the physical condition he is in after the stress and work hours he takes on. Anyone willing to do that to himself has no compunction about screwing others for the cause.

I don't care what his piloting skills are. He is the pilot group's enemy. That presentation was insulting, and chock full of lies and half-truths. He is no different than any other airline management tool bag.

The TA discussion was pointless and not anything new. He does acknowledge the sick leave "abuse" is only by a small group they don't have the ability to target. I still think if it's within the letter of the contract, you can't call it "abuse." The profit sharing change was what others employees wanted, there was no need or reason to change profit sharing given.

The best part of the presentation by far was the network planning portion and definitely a must see. It affirms their industrial transition plan and gives incite into the business plan in the coming years. Leveraging and creating more JV and equity partnerships. A South American hub is coming. Mexico City and Shanghai will be key to business expansion in the next year or two.

Project For The Week: Learning to say; "Please honored cousin, may I have the jump-seat." in Wu.:D

So my question still stands. Why would we allow someone working against us to maintain a seniority number?

Im guessing that would have to be addressed in the pwa? of course the automatic alpa retort to your pov would be...as always....'what are you willing to give up to get that?'

:)

SD for starters.

buddy passes

There, I'm not anti-concessions. See.

experience has shown that EX-buddy passes would be the more accurate name...

I save my buddy passes for acquaintances that I don't want to be friends with. It usually keeps them at a distance for a very long time.

Shouldn't they be called mother-in-law passes?

I consistently use 4 or 5 Buddy Passes a year and they usually work decently. Have used them for London in the summer as well as other "higher" time travel. As long as people know going in, they are worth something. What gets me is the price increase. Domestic round trip tickets are $250 or so which I think is a HUGE increase over 5 to 7 years ago.